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What can we expect from Vedic

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Wyrmnax, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    If you'd been following discussions, there's been no rumours of smoke in the Sectorial. Plus it's been discussed in this thread already.

    Dakinis do not have the Jumper Z Skill. There is no way for the Skill's NFB to affect them.
     
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  2. tdc

    tdc ALEPH Fragment
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    At a time... so you can't get the whole link firing at BS13 in aro, but you can switch up which dakini gets the boost, covering a lot more firelanes with BS13... and if a model wants to attack 2 dakini at once... well that's better even if only one gets the BS boost, no ;)
     
  3. tdc

    tdc ALEPH Fragment
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    Also, N2 for all dakini - good luck breaking the link!
     
  4. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Yes but non-Warcors could knew (up to now) that OSS for sure won't have it ;)

    I'm just still amazed that both this and fact that TAK are best camo and best anti-camo faction facts are not discussed that much.
     
  5. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    It will be, once people will gear into tactics-creating mode.

    OSS doesn't need smoke. It has almost no troops that might want to get into cc, but has shitloads of Specialist infiltrators (and check out Andromeda!), will be absolutely brutal in any kind of firefight, and between its firepower, Posthumans, deployment options and link flexibility it'll be very order-efficient.

    Smoke is nice to have. But it doesn't make or break the sectorial.
     
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  6. Hansolo

    Hansolo Well-Known Member

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    Are we really from the same country? :P
    (Don't worry, I agree with you. But many our players discards Onyx or Tunguska because "no (or expensive) smoke").
     
  7. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Well, that's their problem :P

    My first faction is PanO. I've learned how not to rely on Smoke the hard way :P
     
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  8. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Yep.

    Those overcosted (literally check OS/Deva) MSV2 are golden....
     
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  9. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Sure. Change the MSV2 for ODD or TO Camo on the Marut, and I will agree with you. As it is, I see literally zero reason to deploy her... So it's a Marut + Smoke + melee capabilities other than "we are desperate for you to buy and use Andromeda" (so much they give her a way to deploy easily inside enemy ground with a meager Mimetism) Vs Links. Just that.

    And this is funny, but I'm one of those who rarely used smoke combo.
     
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  10. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    OSS might not. Marut needs it, and frankly, Asura does too. I know everyone is "ooh, B5 BS14 Spitfire, shiny" except anyone and everyone can already match or exceed that.

    That's just one minor thing Smoke is useful.

    So what?

    Better, but still meh. Superior infiltration on her is only really decent if you're going first. And you pay Dart of Dasyu for that. Not gonna see much use.

    Actually if you sit down and think about it, any firepower it can bring is pretty much equalled or exceeded in many, many other sectorials.

    Dream on on Order efficiency. It'll have some Orders it won't lose but thats about it.

    It's not a sectorial that is in question here.
     
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  11. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Also, where are those all Yadu links ?

    (Yadu, fireteam glue etc. itd. )


    (appraently they are not Securitate ^^)
     
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  12. perseus

    perseus Angry Clown

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    well. idea is keeping msv+smoke options for corregidor and imperial.
    now there is msv+hitter without smokes. nca and oss.
    still booty thing on auth. bounty hunters is a thing. if i were taking asura , i could try my luck.
    they gave their decision to keep marut and asura in vanilla for smoke synergy.

    tak and oss are both very powerful.
    andromeda is incredible and i believe you guys forget that she has dcharges on. :)

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  13. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    I wonder about your metas. No Mimetism/ODD/Camo/TO Camo troops there? Because MSV2+ really isn't good only in combo with smoke (MSV3 is overcosted for what it does, but that's another matter).

    Marut is perfectly playable as it is. Lt. with Strategos L3, MBT-level ARM and BTS, BS 15 MHMG, ignores all vis modifiers opponent might have.

    I do understand the argument that ODD is useful all the time unless enemy has MSV, and MSV is useful only when enemy has some mods on. It's just that my experience proves that MSV is useful most of the damn time.

    Core, Haris, Duo, Haris with Devas, Haris with Asuras, ability to have REM HI in every link. What's not to like?

    Still, I agree it's less flexible than what Bostria was suggesting. But that's nothing new :P
     
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  14. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Well it's she might be good if going first.

    If going 2nd she's a dead 34 pts.
     
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  15. Punkow

    Punkow Active Member

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    Frankly I'm quite satisfied of the OSS.
    - Asura's profiles, even though they still cost TOO much, are quite interesting with the Lt. Lvl 2
    - The Apsaras can give BS 13/WIP14 to Dakini Fireteams? nice!
    - Yadus have solid link options

    Even though I do not unserstand some choices:
    - Why no linking options for the Danavas? Taht's weird
    - No linking options for the Shukra is even weirder
    - What a mess of Andromeda profiles!
     
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  16. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    That's why you kill TAGs in CC (hello camo CC-masters), by just engaging them, critting them, or using some nice templates.
     
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  17. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    So NCO turned into "Suboficial"(weird spelling, is that Spanish?) and doesn't have proper rules in the PDF yet. Probably still means you get to use Lt Orders for yourself.

    Lt L2 is nuts for a free Upgrade considering OSS also has the Shukra CoC BSG. Was kind of necessary to make the Asura worthwhile.
    On the downside Asura Haris is kind of a joke next to that.

    Deva KHD is neat but has the wrong pointcost unless they changed the formula. KHD&BSG should be +2 over a Combi and usually is 0 SWC. For some reason it's 6 points over a Combi which makes absolutely no sense. Price and SWC are correct for a theoretical AHD Deva, someone might have made an error there.

    The Dakini Fireteam is bonkers with Devas and one CSU to keep it cheap. SSL2 WIP15 Lightning KHD, BS15 MSV2 with Discover on 18 before Rangebands and Cover.

    Rudras seem distincly underwhelming, especially since their B4 gun option wastes the optinal Shock from Assisted Fire.
    Still can join a Link for B5, provides a Repeater, sturdy 2W with Rem:Pres and has C+ which always is better than you'd think.

    2 Yadu 1 Deva Haris is pretty sweet again. Deva MSV2+Shakti+Rudras with a H+ elsewhere in the list ignores all sorts of Mods and can fight MSV troops with Whitenoise even after moving up the table. Raw stats aren't amazing for them, but they only have good matchup

    Apsaras KHD is dirt cheap if you need to shave off some points compared to a Deva or Danavas, more of a situational priority thing than actually good.
    G:Jumper L:Z is okay, Prohibits the use of Supportware but doesn't eat Orders and works turn 1 if going 2nd. Pretty nice for a Dakini MSR or Zayin. Buffin REMs to BS13 also means they "ignore" the common tactic to put them at -12 and roll FTF vs their abysmal Dodge. Probably for that reason Zayins are just AVA1, which dims the Apsara's light a bit - still saves you Orders compared to MMS L2 and buffs your ARO game for free. Jumper Z is notably better vs Impetuous stuff where Assisted Fire only provides Shock (which is useful on it's own).

    Marut isn't interesting at all next to the Lt L2 Asura and without Smoke. The big bunny seems much happier in Vanilla.

    Superior Infiltration for Andromeda is a big questionmark with Proxy MK2, AVA3 Naga and Dasyus around. However she is a very solid good option for some Missions as Specialist with Superior Infiltration and D-Charges. Mimetism, NWI, a Flashpulse to defend herself and CC that is actually useful together with a Deployment Skill and the new ITS Classifieds.
    Andromeda is surprisingly useful in OSS, although mainly for Highly Classified and Looting & Sabotaging.
     
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  18. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Sorry Jensen, linkability is only for the true Veteran soldiers like Voronin ^^
     
  19. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Obviously "Wildcart" rule is too much to "secondary" factions ^^
     
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  20. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    English version is appraently wrong. Spanish suggest it is actually AHD+Lighting (which is quite interesting/good).

    Still making Fersen sad xD

    Take sensor to discover on 24 ^^
     
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