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Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by paraelix, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    You never use AP mode, unless you are shooting at Marut/Avatar/Jotum.

    Always use DA.
     
  2. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    But we were talking about anti armor ...
     
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  3. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    ARM7 is still quite a lot of armor isn't it (and much more popular than ARM9/10)
     
  4. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Yeah, but MSR-wise... Now that the options are AP or DA at burst 1, it's hardly the AT gun it used to be when the burst 1 shot was AP + DA.
     
  5. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Burst 2. During active Medium-Multi has a B2 option of AP or DA.
     
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  6. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Ah, my bad - medium multi.
     
  7. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    And which one are these so popular ARM 7 TAGs ? The Seraph ? The Gorgos ? The only ARM7 TAG which may be a bit popular is the O-Yoroi, and it's very specific. And all these TAG are bad in reactive turn, without a decent ARO weapon (except the disposable flammenspear for the gorgos)

    Of course when facing anything that is not on top of armor, you would choose DA over AP, i expect that most would know that. But when facing ARM8+ it's another story, and that was the topic. Linked MSR can do that, but it's not the best. Unlinked MSR should not even try, there are to many risks of wasting orders for nothing or getting the troop killed by the powerful EXP round most heavy TAG have.

    Better bet on our powerful hacking game than on long range AP shots to handle those TAGs.
     
  8. Pen-dragon

    Pen-dragon Deva

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    I don't want to derail this thread, but again, that is your opinion, and not universally shared. I don't deny that those factions have a lot of interesting and cool stuff, but it depends on what an individual is interested in. Trying to say nomads can compete with PanO on the TAG front is a little far fetched. If you like Heavy Infantry, again Nomads + Haqq + Tohaa + Ariadna, not the best place to look. TO camo? Auxbots. Posthumans? Netrods? Martial arts? ODD equipped soldiers that wear pants? I mean a lot of these no longer have the new shiny syndrome, but there are playstayles available that Nomads + Haqq + Tohaa + Ariadna are not the best at.

    So it is perfectly fine to say you prefer Nomads + Haqq + Tohaa + Ariadna, but realize there are people who don't find those factions interesting and perhaps like PanO + Aleph + JSA. There is probably even at least two or three people that like the Frenchies
     
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  9. Yvain

    Yvain Well-Known Member

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    What is old and what is new from OSS? Anything here I should wait for an updated model for? What has come out recently that is a must have?
     
  10. Solodice

    Solodice Freshly Squeezed Troll

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    Easy to break it down for OSS.

    New

    Everything in Coldfront and its expansion set
    Dakini SWC Box
    Garuda Spitfire and BS
    Proxy Box (Mk4 and Mk5)
    Andromada
    Rebots
    Danavas
    Karkata
    Dart
    Asura Multi Rifle/Hacker

    Old

    Naga Hacker and Monomines
    Dasyus (all of them)
    Asura Spitfire
    Deva/Devabot Box
    Proxy Box (Mk1, Mk2, and Mk3)
    Yudbots
    Netrods
    Sophotects
    Marut

    Its unknown what will be resculpted if anything at the moment. The old Aleph models are still good models and are some of the best hand sculpted models in my opinion.

    As for must haves... anything really.
     
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  11. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget the impending Daikini SWC box.

    edit: and the Garuda Spitfire is the new one, not the HMG
     
  12. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Support Pack is quite good and unlikely to get a resculpt soon. The rest is a big question mark.
     
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  13. tdc

    tdc ALEPH Fragment
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    There's also the beyond cold front box coming in nov/Dec (whichever the dakini box isnt)

    And the new Asura with Multi rifle and hacking device coming in october
     
  14. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The Monomines Naga is actually much newer than the hacker IIRC
     
  15. Solodice

    Solodice Freshly Squeezed Troll

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    By release, yes. However, the Monomines Naga is a non-CAD model (as far as I know) which means old with the new models coming out.
     
  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    CB agrees with you, PanO gets surprise Jammer. Gotta reevaluate the Yadus now, Veteran will be MUCH more important, it seems.

    Unidron Fireteam is a defensive castle. The Dakinis one is more multipurpose, tending to prefer closer ranges or needing other troops to add range to their weapons (since they roll with HMG or Sniper MULTI only... not that 2 HMG are something to scoff at). Unidrons can go easily for 2x missiles +2x FO +1 K1 combi.

    Add 3 from cover that won't we negated unless you use template weapons... Remeber, "humble" ARM5 HI goes up to 8 while in cover, and it goes down to 6 against AP, and I think 10% tends to be considered worse than an extra dice, frankly.

    Geckos ARM5, Iguana ARM6, Anaconda ARM6, Scarface ARM5, Sphynx ARM6, Overdron BLI 6, Xeodron BLI5...There are not many ARM7 troops in the game.
     
  17. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    Yup, and versus these one, you would choose DA over AP for sure (or template depending on the weapon). But against ARM8+, AP is probably a better choice, depending on the situation
     
  18. Confusion

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    Dam 15 DA is just as good or better than Dam 15 AP against anything in the game, if it's out of cover. For example, against ARM 10, a normal Dam 15 AP hit has a 10/20 chance to inflict 1 wound, so the average damage is 0.5. DA only has a 5/20 (0.25) chance to inflict a wound, but you get two rolls, so the average damage is still 0.5. The DA has a 56.25% chance of dealing no damage, compared to 50% for AP, but equally has a 6.25% chance of dealing double damage. And DA is just strictly better if you crit.

    If they ARE in cover, the break even point is ARM 8, with 0.4 average damage for both AP and DA normal hits. ARM 9+ in cover is the only time average wounds inflicted is higher for Dam 15 AP than Dam 15 DA. Even then, if you are at such an extreme penalty that criticals dominate your possible hit results, it might still be worthwhile to use DA, but that's a real edge case.
     
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