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Point rebalance hypotheticals - no bad ideas

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Wulverdron, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    Oh, I also forgot to quote the post I was referencing:
     
  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I only take the Maakrep with regret in Onyx. I wish we had a different msv troop.
     
  3. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    SSL1 does admittedly give the Maakrep hacker a nice little niche, but I think what they need to do is drop the MSV from half the profiles (eg. the Hacker) and maybe give him a 25pt-ish sensor or FO option too. To go with the whole "tracker" thing, i suppose.
     
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  4. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Perhaps Multiterrain? It sucks that Maakreps fail as soon as they hit difficult ground.

    I'd love some sensor options for them.
     
  5. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Makes sense for a tracker unit.

    Though I'd much prefer seing such fix on Zerat first. Switching K1SR and MSR between Vanguards and Zerats (skirmisher will be far more able to use it well), giving them Sensor option, some additional skills like Stealth and Marksmanship.
     
  6. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Give Kurgats and Calibans a Nullifier profile.
     
  7. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Can we address Morats paying 1swc for Fireteam: Haris profiles, where every other faction seems to only pay 0.5?
     
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  8. Plex

    Plex Taagma without a scheme

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    It's to make up for the sectorials that have swc free haris teams. Somebody has got to pay for it.
     
  9. Skjarr

    Skjarr EI Mouthpiece

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    I wonder if it's to do with the fact that you can use Kornak to form a bunch of Haris teams for 'free'?
    Seems odd to funnel you into using a character all the time though.
     
  10. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Morats have more Haris options than average, and two(Three if you consider Kornak can form two different ones) of them pay 0 SWC for the haris, so the two more paying 1 SWC actually makes some sense from a game balance perspective. What morats could use is some mixed fireteams (Three yaogats is too much and five is paying nearly as much as five suryats). The Zerat getting minelayer and/or sensor on some profiles would be very welcome and appropriate too. Or maybe give minelayer to the zerat and sensor to the oznat.

    I'd still like for the avatar to either get a points reduction or an extra buff.
     
  11. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Actually... makes perfect sense following their existing design work.

    MilOrd - Joan/DeFersen links
    Corregidor - Senor/Jaguar links
    Tunguska - Spector/Percy/REM link
    Starco - Uhahu/Emily duo, Emily Riot link, Brigada/Senor/Daktari link
    Phalanx - like... every link.
    etc.
     
  12. Leviathan

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    Characters get special privileges.
     
  13. Natsymir

    Natsymir Well-Known Member

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    The things I find myself using little or never in Onyx are, indeed, some of the things that people have already mentioned as possibly being overcosted.

    Umbras - NWI is not worth it, there is too much shock ammo going around.

    Malignos - other factions seem to have very similar specialists for quite a few points less. Is the automedikit really that good? Well perhaps...it ought to have good synergy with infiltrators wroking far afield, away from Dr Worm. I don't know about these guys. Perhaps because Onyx whenever I play them seem to dominate the board due to their long-range fire power, infiltrators feels less necessary in my lists.

    Suryats - a point more of PH would solve most of the problem, really, but I still don't quite see why I would take them when there's only a duo option. Let'em link with an Umbra or something.

    Rodoks - perhaps the Morat rule is a bit overcosted yeah. I dunno, but it's a bit boring that the Unidron link is so superior that these cool guys are almost not worth taking. The boarding shotgun dude with mines for 19 pts has performed some decent work for me solo though.
     
  14. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    I just want grenades on all my morats. MORE GRENADES. NEW KINDS OF EXTRA MORATTY GRENADES.

    I'm looking at you, potential Sogorat profile. Who also needs a reduced automedcost for his automedkit.

    Also I think kurgat is tough choice vs worm in MAF. Mk12 and mines... so good. Maybe better BS on kurgat though.
     
  15. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Rodok Haris in MAF and Onyx would be a godsend.
     
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  16. Leviathan

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    The Malignos point costs would make more sense if they had Regeneration instead of Automedkit - elite level TO infiltrators for about 35 points feels about right if you were to make that small change.
    They could possibly also do with a KHD option - price it the same as the FO at 36 points. That's a fair chunk of points, to be sure, but on the other hand there's not many KHDs that are on such a strong profile.
     
  17. toadchild

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    I used to think the extra SWC was to balance out the fact that the Mk12s are good out to 24" without an SWC cost of their own, but with the recent proliferation of marksman rifles, that doesn't hold up.
     
  18. Solodice

    Solodice Freshly Squeezed Troll

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    Maybe the .5 SWC is for the 15 DMG?
     
    #38 Solodice, Aug 16, 2018
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  19. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Why do people think another point of PH would make Suryats better?
     
  20. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    That's not the point. It's just annoying that freaking ORC troopers and mobile brigada have more PH than Suryats. It just feels wrong. Suryats are usable, they just need +1PH because that's how 'standard' HI roll nowadays.
     
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