So your argument is that because she's in SAA she's a new PanO piece? That's ridiculous and you know it. It's extremely important to note that while yeah, she's a great profile and everything and she might have been designed with Shock Army in mind--she's not a PanO unit.
Well, I’d posit that arguing she’s not a native SAA unit in the face of the designer of the game saying otherwise is as, if not more ridiculous, so... but, hey, you do your ridiculous, I’ll do mine, tá?
The difference is that one of us didn't have to argue a strawman or shift goalposts. You've been arguing against something that I didn't say. I said she's spillover from ALEPH and that PanO didn't get her. That's not the same thing as saying "she's not a native SAA unit".
SAA is part of PanO. Her being part of it means she’s part of a PanO sectorial and native to it. And, again, since she was designed from the ground up to be there, well, she’s just a much a part of it as an Akal is, without making her any less of a Posthuman or of OperationS. She’s an expansion on something the designers feel SAA needs.
You can fake argue all you want, the fact remains Dart is just NOT a PanO unit, just like Garuda are not YJ units and Sr Massacre is not a Nomad unit. The day you can play Dart in vanilla PanO I'll give you the point she is PanO.
Then they should have made an SAA exclusive profile for something in the Sectorial if they felt it was something SAA needed so badly. We've known they're doing that approach for the Orcs and Varuna.
I think it is fair to say that if SAA can use her then she is a new SAA piece... All other arguments are basicly just fluff right? Still this reaction kinda supports my thought from before. If PanO has to share the unit then it's not really a check panO out unit is it...
When was the last time Pano got a new unit that actually opened new options for the generic army? How many years? Thats why Pano players are twitchy about Dart.
Reread the post you are replying to. There's no argument that she's not a Shock Army piece. The crux of the issue comes from misrepresenting her as a PanOceanian piece. HSN3 or whenever the Techbee came out: can't remember which happened first.
So since N3 we got the techbee, locust, and black friar. None of which really open up new options for generic Pano. So its been a damn long time.
From what i read, it is a circular discussion of hating on Nomads whilst wanting every Nomad profile replicated in PanO... and then constant arguing over semantics anytime anyone even hints at naysaying that PanO or hard done by. Coupled also with the mentality that PanO players are villified and treated unfairly by CB because of an inflated sense of entitlement. There is little positive discussion, little theorycrafting and a lot of personal jabs over certain user's posts.
Not opening new vanilla options - seems like your opinion, rather than a fact. Weren't the Kamau profiles only just rejuvenated?
Rejuvenated is an optimistic take on them. Aquatic terrain gets almost no play, and they do not compare well to a Nisse. When I started playing PanO, it was because it was the stompy TAG faction. One of the few strong points of Vanilla is the TAGs. Want to fix PanO? Give one of our TAGs Full Auto. Give us a combat engineer. Give MO a KHD. Give the Orcs a grenade. Give us a reason to take Crusader over Sikh. Crabbots that don't make me want to cry. Little things.
Friar provides Albedo, allowing reverse MSV/Smoke shenanigans. Techbee (combined with the relatively recent additi ok n of remote pilots) allows for wip 13 engineering and specialists in a wip12 faction. Kamau provide a strong HRL ARO option (Bs13 and Mimetism) and wip13 specialists without the Order Serg swc tax. Locust provides a midfield d-charge plus strong ODD/Suppression option. Unlike the Crocman, it has a solid cc stat. This one is probably the weakest of the additions *for vanilla*, but provides midfield deployment to NCA which otherwise has only Peacemakers.
Fusilliers provide cheap Orders with superior BS. Dragao provides a HRMC. Swiss provides a TO specialist. Aquila provides MSV3 with nice BS. See what i did there?
I'm confused as to why there is so much arguing over how every option needs to be valid in vanilla. Have you look ed d at other factions? Sectorials force redundant options in their Vanilla counterparts by virtue of banning out the profile they otherwise replicate. CA are probably the most solid example of this - Yaogat and Maakrep. Similar role, similar stats, similar weapons. 1 has Veteran and the other has Automed... hardly makes each profile a justifiable option versus the other in Vanilla...
Yes. You quoted advantages your faction has over other factions. You just did it sarcastically. My Keisotsu would sure as shit pay 1 pt to upgrade to bs12, but alas I forget... the only other faction of significance is Nomads - and how much better they are at everything than PanO they are...
