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ECM on lizard ?

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by perseus, Jul 20, 2018.

  1. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    How are Druze tougher than riot girls? (agree on all other points)
     
  2. wellspokenman

    wellspokenman Retired Intruder

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    I forgot she can run with Grrls, most lists I see have her with Algs. Running her with Grrls is half your list minimum, and I think the Grrls benefit more from Avicenna, so I probably wouldn't do that outside LE.
     
  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Emily CoC + 4 Alguaciles => 75pts 0.5SWC
    Druze E/M LGL link => On QK you won't see it much, since the mercs cannot have the Hafzas inside an there are other interesting links, but it's 119pts +0.5SWC at a minimum; on Druze they can make the link for 98pts + 0.5 SWC (2 brawlers); on Ikari the cost is 119pts + 0.5SWC (they HAVE to include a Tanko to reach a 5 man Fireteam).
    Emily + Riots is a 151pts 0.5SWC proposition, double the cost of the Alguaciles option.

    Mind you, the cheapest competitor you mentioned is 23 points more expensive (for that price difference, Starco deploys the Irmandinho+servitor and a Hardcase...).
    And I'm not saying "all E/M lgl needs to be removed", just that Emily, linking with Alguaciles, is too good to have that tool.

    Yep, it is. But you will very likely see a Haris of Avicenna + Spitfire Riot + Haris riot, and a Core of Alguaciles + Emily, and maybe 2 cheerleaders for that group. Once Emily dies (if she does), the Alguaciles go into Coordinated order of Suppresive Fire, for example (covering each other), and they give you table control. At this point, she might have slagged more points than the entire link with her E/M grenades, which is the really "WTF" thing of the issue.
     
  4. wellspokenman

    wellspokenman Retired Intruder

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    My main issue with Spec Fire + Full link + X-visor isn't that it's OP, which I think is debatable. It's that it definitely isn't fun. It's a type of gameplay I came to Infinity to get away from. There isn't a good fluff justification for a visor to work without LoS, so that seems an easy fix. That might not solve the issue, but it would help. Emily is pretty much the only reason to play StarCo at this point, so I don't want to see her nerfed too hard. On the other hand, just taking away the E/M grenades wouldn't take away her ability to spec snipe specialists in Highly Classified and other specialists heavy missions or to wipe out LI links, which are a couple of the better arguments for her being OP. She can do both of those effectively with just an LGL.
     
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  5. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    All Corregidor players just died inside by hearing this (since they are asking for more Brigada linking options so they see some table action -.-U).

    Damn, she could get her LgL E/M changed to LgL and then a Mine Dispenser (for E/M ammo) and it wouldn't be as broken, since the other player has options to avoid triggering the mine with the TAG/HI link, and she can do that 3 times at most (then there is the expenditure of the Baggage bot).
     
  6. Brother Smoke

    Brother Smoke Bureau Trimurti Representative

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    I have used the riot + Emily link in two games so far, and I honestly don't believe they're all they're cracked up to be

    Don't get me wrong, it's a cool tactic and I might try it out again, but out of 4 order spent on spec firing grenades I got very little results.

    Give me a brigada link with an hmg any day
     
  7. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    I now think adding Massacre to the Brigada link is pretty good. Eclipse in a link with an HMG is pretty uncommon (unique? a few with regular smoke). If only you could have Tomcats at the same time, losing the AD doctor right when you have the tools to actally be "Mobile" sucks.

    His CC is an incredibly useful tool for the link as well. Adding a CC guy to a non-CC link is so useful.
     
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  8. Brother Smoke

    Brother Smoke Bureau Trimurti Representative

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    On top of that, Massacre is relatively cheap and has E/M grenades. And there really is no need for a Tomcat when you have the Daktari in the link, since she will move with them and has the same WIP.
     
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  9. McNamara

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    Don't you need a Doctor in the team to play that fire team anyways?
     
  10. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Yes but the Dak easily dies as the fireteam is pulled apart. Tomcat can't be targeted.
     
  11. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Avi in the backfield ;)

    (Albeit not actually all that practical).
     
  12. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    I'm just saying I consider both linked smoke and AD doctor to be big boons to a power Core and having that split between the factions for Brigada keeps them from reaching their full potential.

    Plus losing Moran if you're going the hacker route.
     
  13. wellspokenman

    wellspokenman Retired Intruder

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    I used to run Massacre & Jags a lot. I really like the Brigada link in StarCo, but honestly I'd still probably rather run Grrls & Avi. Poor Brigadas, always a bridesmaid, never a bride.
     
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  14. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I can build MB StarCo lists I like but Grrle StarCo lists all run into 'Bakunin is better'.

    Grrls Haris + Alg Core is a decent alternative though.

    It's a pity you can't run a Brawler Core though. That's what I want most to do.
     
  15. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Yeah. Consider Qapu, they can give a similar feel.
     
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