Hey everybody... we have a new forum all of a sudden and it took me three days to get back into the community. :D Anyways, I dropped out of Infinity as a whole last year and sold a complete NCA army and my traitorous Haqq models. Now I am looking to get back in and PanO is BestO. Being a major fan of TO, I was going to reopen my NCA loyalty for my favorite Swiss and Hexa units, however I also have been wanting to play Military Orders forever and I already played NCA to death. Therefore I am looking to start my return with a hilarious TO spam. Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) 1.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army My main questions are... do Forward Observers still count as specialists for interacting with objectives? Has there been any leaks or showings off new Order Sargeant sculpts with combi rifles? I know their special weapon box came out and I like them, but to get the amount of rifles I need I would need to do a hefty amount of kitbashes or buy the old order sargeants. Also, is there any other TO equipped soldiers in Military Orders these days?
Yes. MO starter box and SWC Order Sergeant box are your only ways to get explicit Order Sergeants atm. :( Unfortunetaly CB had not released really needed TO FO OS sculp :( Nah, MO is exactly in a place you left it. Unfortunetaly there were no direct rules changes since HSN3.
That is unfortunate, especially since it seems like the head is part of the torso for the male Order Sargeant so it is impossible to get him looking down the sights of a Bolt/Fusilier rifle if I did some arm swaps. Female Order Sargeant looks like she can easily make some quick arm swaps with her other PanO sisters, but I do like to make my forces 50/50 so that I have more individually unique soldiers. I suppose I could cut off his head and give him a beret from a Fusi, but those Order Sgt helmets are so cool. It's ok though, I want to move toward Knight link teams and stuff with TO ambushers, and normal combi Order Sgts will be needed as line troopers in the future anyways. The effort to make combi Sgts will not go to waste if I am going to pay MO. I wonder if the new Magister Knights will have one piece torso's or if I can steal their helmets for some kitbash conversions for my Order Sgts. Thanks for the reply, is there still a 'split box' thread going on where I can try and buy a bunch of Order Sgts out of those boxes? I will be doing a forum search, but a quick link from someone who knows saves time.
This will help you with split boxes: https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/split-box-deal-single-infinity-minis.1099/
A lot of the knights are a little redundant/superfluous, but Hospitallers + Magisters are a solid staple that can be applied to huge piles of different missions. Santiagos + Magisters are good too, if you end up on more dense tables and like then utility of a Spitfire and E/M grenades over the Hospitaller HMG. Welcome back.
Appreciate it man. I intend to get some Magisters, and from what I understand Joan De Arc is really good with her link of knights. Right now my intention is to hit the ground running with my rediculous Order Sargeant TO mind games because a bunch of rifle armed Order Sgt models will be useful as my line troops. From there I intend to fill out a link team for Joan of heavy infantry knights. Eventually I will switch to collecting more options, but I love the mind games of hidden deployment TO models as well as the -6 to hit my guys. In cover on suppressive fire it can be -12 to hit an Order Sgt... gumming up the board with them is hilarious fun. I also like 'death star' link teams and Joan with some heavy knights seem like a really hard nut to crack... though I imagine I will need some hacking defense in that regard. I am really sad that MO doesn't get Swiss Guard. Is that not weird that the Vatican's guard don't work with the Orders?
I played agaiinst something similar with my tohaa not that long ago (4 tofoos at 200 points), and to be honest it isnt as scary as it seems. New players might recoil in horror but the combi are just so so, and you have nothing to shoot your way through, which is the only thing pano does.
Oh to be sure I do not think the list I am starting with will be the most competitive list at all. I am just going to need rifle armed Order Sgts going forward anyways, so building up a collection of 8 Order Sargeants and a Sniper SPEC Sgt is a good base to have in my collection with Joan. I can collect knights and stuff from there and have my 'cheer leaders' already set to go. In the mean time I can play fun games with the TO spam, and then eventually show up to local small tourneys where everyone expects my normal TO spam list and cram Joan in a 5 soldier link team down the center line.
Why would you need 8 order sergeants? Also TO and nonTO order sergeants are different sculpts. And the TO ones should look better (the non-existing new ones).
Order Sgts are AVA Total low costed line troopers for MO. When I played NCA I had 20 Fusiliers and 12 Bolts all modeled differently as different loadout options or just a bunch with combi's in case I wanted to run a list with a bunch of cheer leaders. I do not see why the same won't apply to MO. Also, why do the TO Sgts have to be different sculpts? They are just Order Sgts with combi's and a cloaking device.
Becuase if you have TO and non TO sergeants in a list, you owe it to your opponent to visually differentiate them.
I am planning on making all of my Order Sgts unique poses using arm swaps and the like. None of them will be the same model. I assume my opponent will be able to tell which models are TO models after I reveal them from their camo tokens and place the model. After that the unique Order Sgt standing in the problematic location will likely be enough to tell the TO Sgt from any normal guys I have had running around before that no? Also true, but if all eight Sgts are unique models, I don't think even that is necissary.
I disagree, if they all have the same armor, and the same weapons, its a fair assumption they are the same. Its not like paramedic where it is a combi with benefits, its a -6 vs no mods. Im supposed to remember that fist pump gal is TO while fist pump guy 4" away (advanced up the board) is non TO and in a fire-team......... Ill step out here rather than derail onto what is an acceptable proxie, as identical armored and equipped troopers on the board representing 2 very different troops at the same time is definatly not within the normal realm of ok.
Oh, so some hardcore pokemon effect. I see https://store.corvusbelli.com/products/panoceania/280244-0268-military-order-sectorial-starter-pack Dude on the far right is the one with TO, notice the cloak with the hexa pattern. The rest of them are regular OSs. These are the old sculpts, but you get the idea. OS have different arms than the rest of the range, I don't think they'd look good with fusilier arms. Usually I can't differentiate between the opponent's minis at all, unless I know that range, so I don't think that's necessary. Just make the dudes regular and the dudesses TO or something similar.
Unlike Warhammer or the like, an entire faction collection can fit on one of my magnetized carry sheets. I also really dislike having duplicate models, so I will very often do at least some minor conversions so they are never exactly the same troopers. I also have fielded a 30 Fusilier list just to see how good it would do, and I am one of those people who defended the Bolts as useful... even if they aren't -as- useful as other things. My Haqq opponents really didn't like them when he brought a bunch of viral rifles. Oh I see it, I had a lot of Hexas when I played NCA. However that design isn't the standard for what TO tech looks like in Pan'O. The reason I say that is while some units like Hexas and that Order Sgt have it, thinks like the Cutter, Swiss Guard, and Crocmen do not. So apparently there is something other than that hex patter on the inside of some cloth that constitutes a TO projector or whatever it is. Likewise, I often have met and played with people who didn't even notice the hex pattern and didn't paint it on their hexas and the like. It is a cool detail on a few models, but an unnecissary one in my opinion. You might be right, and then green stuff will have to come into play. It's either do that or use the old models with duplicates, all females from the new special weapon box with duplicates and half of them wearing hacker visors, or avoid Order Sgts all together. Likewise I don't know half of the other faction's models, and have to rely on my opponent telling me what he has after deployment and then memorizing that or asking again during play. Not only that, but models deploying from hidden locations, coming out of camo markers, or air dropping are extremely easy to keep track of because they nearly -always- arrive in some dramatic way that makes me sit back considering my strategies. When I am going to deploy nine TO camo tokens, or worse, deploy nothing but Joan de Arc and write down all the hidden deployments... I don't think anyone I play against is going to be confused about where the TO models are. -IF- I ever decided to field regulars along side TO Spec Sgts, then perhaps it could be a problem, but I can't see me doing that other than perhaps a single TO sniper to overlook the normal Order Sgts, and I am just going to assume the intellegence of my opponent in his ability to remember the extremely annoying sniper is a TO Spec version.
I feel like your opponent will probably figure out it's a TO Order sergeant the second it pops up as a TO marker in the middle of the table.
There is wysiwyg and then there is these two identical models in different poses are actually two very different units. To pops turn 1, turn 3, which one was to? Especially if there is 15 of them on the table like the op is suggesting
The one it was in the first place? It's not that hard to keep track of. Do you also have an issue tracking identical models in different battle groups?
