I think that's more of a tactical decision. You don't want to block Phoenix' strong ARO unnecessarily. I have, however, seen it after I put a wound in Phoenix.
Partly, but it's also a question of players getting themselves confused by insisting on using terms like 'Smoke Dodge'. ;-) In summary: Declare a BS Attack, including placing the template(s). The template does not have to be centred on an enemy trooper, and in reaction there is no requirement to target the enemy trooper - or even to place the template to block LoF. If the template position blocks LoF between the thrower and the enemy trooper, the Special Dodge rules come into play. If the Roll for the Smoke is a failure, or is beaten by any opposed rules, remove the Smoke template.
I am mostly asking because I am a Tohaa player and most triads have a makaul with them. and smoke dodge with makaul is really common
In that case no you can't. But only because it's Tohaa. Doing it in any other faction is legit though. [emoji14]
Hey so far Tohaa wasn't deleted! So as far as I understand now all 3 can declare a bs one of them uses smoke dodge as his bs, thats pretty neat for my triads, 2 kamaels with one makaul starts to be effective...
One can use Eclipse Grenades (which have the special dodge trait) as his BS Attack. But yes, you've got the gist of it.
So my new defense 3 triads with always 1 makaul and 2 kamael, 9 orders, around 100 points enemies walks in line of sight gets shot by 4 shots from the kamaels and the makaul smokes the triad so its the only enemy chance to actual kill some of them or he needs to split his shot in dumb ways...ok combining smoke dodge with attacks sounds kinda strong gotta try it out thank you all
Only if your opponent is daft enough to walk out in front of all 3, it's more likely they'll use a corner or piece of vertical terrain to slice the pie and shoot them one by one. Or smoke + MSV2 to just take out the snipers. Still useful as it's dirt cheap and forces them to burn orders.
If you put them all pretty much on one spot it will be hard to get sight to only one of them, so templates or smoke trick is the way to go for them of course shouldn't use them to cover the whole map, should try to use their 16" range mostly still cheap orders that can cover quite a bit pack a bit of a punch
That largely depends on your group allowing intent play. I'd love to see a group play with intent but add a caveat that friendly troopers in base to base share the same silhouette for LoS and template purposes. If intent players can take advantage of the smallest slices, then players should be able to setup AROs to the same degree. Would probably need to add a token state indicating a player is doing this. That way we can separate troopers just huddled together vs trying to setup multiple AROs.
If all 3 of them are base in base and the enemy isn't effectivly flanking it will be hard to find the 1mm spot there he only gets sight to one of the 3 but yeah these are pretty much the most annoying cases in a game to rule if they see each other or not...
Again, I wish they renamed it to Smoke Attack or something similar. I know you're "Dodging" incoming attacks with it, but it doesn't interact with the dodge rules, it interacts with the BS Attack rules. It'd help newer players that want to use "Dodge" skills because it says dodge...
I wish they generally would rework the whole rulebook, I am checking the rule question section here semi regularly and its amazing how many points are unclear or hard to find :) I love Ginreis signature
Ok, news. @HellLois has answered this just a few minutes ago in the spanish forum (they must start at 7.30am or so on fridays!). https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/resuelto-esquiva-especial-que-tipo-de-habilidad-es.23619/ So, in short: "smoke-dodge" is a BS attack to all intent and purposes, so yeah, you can leave a Myrmidon Fireteam in the middle without cover, and ARO with Phoenix's shooting and smoke-dodge with the rest of the myrms. I was wrong, but I do hope the example fiven in the special dodge entry gets corrected (so the Daturazi does not "declare special dodge") so this won't be repeated. Thanks all for your input!
Wait does this mean we can't put smoke templates over friendlies now if they're always considered an attack?
It's a BS attack (skill) but without the attack label. The skill part is important in fireteam and losing the attack label makes it possible to throw smoke on allies and neutral and doesn't make the units touching the template target of an attack. See thread about ss2 and smoke from out of LoF. The dodge part is only if it blocks LoF from an attacker or ARO response that will turn it into a ftf instead of normal roll.
