Generic Qapu Kahlqi list help

One thing to keep in mind is that you can't have your nasmat linked to the doctor in the fireteam:

G: Servant, Coordinated Order and Fireteams
A G: Servant trooper and its Doctor/Engineer cannot be part of a Coordinated Order nor be a member of any type of Fireteam, unless specified otherwise.

 

I wouldnt feel to save, leaving house without a Doctor in or near my Core Link.
Also, that Hafza would be a good (spare) member for the Ghulams in the second group.

 

I'm not sold on the Druze GL in a Duo. I'd rather have a Marksman Rifle (or HMG, if you were able to afford one).

Generally, it seems you have little in the way of active models in this list.
The entire #2 Group has too few Orders to maneuver (5 Regular). I see little point in spenidng points on FO, two Deplyable Repeaters and a Hacker there.
Now, there isn't anything bad with a defensive Fireteam, but I'd rather build it around two long-ranged weapons (ML & Sniper Rifle, or two Sniper Rifles, or maybe throw in a Panzerfaust for extra oomph, or keep the HMG and add one more gun), give it a Doctor for durability & emergency Specialist, and call it a day. It will have range and modifiers to spoil anyone's day, even in active turn, but I believe now it costs oyu too much for what it can do.
Also, save for the lone YY, there's nothing more for them to power in your Active turn.

Group #1 has Sekban Haris w/HRL, which is a very nice long-range, reactive option, as well as a TR HMG bot (keep in mind TR bot can't be buffed without a friendly Repater in ZoC, as it has no Repeater of its own). Apparently you are set up to act through the al'Hawwa and three Yuan Yuan, but once you lose these, you're pretty much without much ability to act.

 

Multiple Fireteams are fine and dandy, true, but a little tricky, too. Which is why I prefer to designate on of them for a defensive role, and the other as primary assault elemnt.
If you have a lot of ground to cover, I believe MOV 4-2 is a disadvantage compared to MOV 4-4. While Sekban cna make a decent primary, offensive Fireteam, I'd rather take a full Core in that case.
Can't say I see much point in taking 2 Spitfires for it, though. Especially in the Haris format.

That would limit your Ghulam Fireteam to just 5 models, provided no-one was taken out of action due to enemy fire. Your mileage may vary, of course, but in my opinion, that's not enough Orders.

Keep in mind you are entitled to the maximum of 1 Core fireteam (of maximum 5 models), and one Haris Fireteam (of maximum 3 models). So, one of the Sekban would have to be out of the Haris Fireteam if you'd like ot have your Hafza Lt in it.

They are fine. If you manage to have them laid down before, and if they aren't destroyed from a distance. Keep in mind the N3 E/Mauler is effectively a Mine with EM ammo.

True. Keep in mind that it will ocst you a non-Movement Short Skill of an Order - in a Group where you don't have too many of these.
So not exactly cost-effective IMO.

Indeed it can be used by any friendly Hacker, regardless of who laid it.[/QUOTE]

 

Triads are currently a special Tohaa only rule that allows them to form Fireteams in the first place with some rather interesting and flexible rules.

There are currently five types of Fireteams, some with more limitations than I will go into and some having special version in existance, but basically the breakdown is:

Core: 2-5 members, one per list.
Enomotarchos: 2-4 members.
Haris: 2-3 members, one per list.
Triad: 3 members.
Duo: 2 members.

Here is an exhaustive list of the possible Fireteams (minus Tohaa): http://wiki.infinitythegame.com/en/List_of_Fireteams

 

As far as I know, there is no good lists per mission topic.

As for your list, I'm afraid you'll be unable to bear losses with that kind of layout. But... take it to the table, give it a test run. Nothing does verify theory as well as practical testing, after all.

 

To state the obvious, you have to much SWC.
That order spread can work, I myself play that way most of the time, when I field Bahram, but with substantially more Irregulars...that could make a difference, because they usually soak up the orders of the opponent.
Also save for Chain weapons, you lack anti Camo measures.

A general thing about Quapu I want to adress is, you have a lot of cheap regular orders available to build lists with. Alguaciles and Fanous Remotes in particular. So if you feel you need more orders, use those profiles.

 

Well okay, we'll do our best to explain it, then.
After all, we're Haqq. If you search for knowledge we have, it is our duty to share it.

Chain weapons are Direct Template weapons (as are flamethrowers and nanopulsers etc etc). Their anti-Camo advantage is twofold:

1. They do hit automatically, so no matter the level of BS penalty a given Camo / ODD provides, the target is hit, fullstop (unless it dodges, of course). Flamethrowers are even better for that, as a Camo Model hit with Fire weapon loses its Camouflage ability down to Mimetism level.
2. The can be used to perform an Intuitive Attack against an undiscovered Camo Marker, which is an unique ability: apart from Intuitive Attack, a Camo Marker can not be attacked (it has to be Discovered first). Also, if you can attack a legal target, it is OK to affect any Camo Marker you can put the Direct Template on (as long as the legal target is hit too).

The board you mention, where you had no Cover in your Deployment Zone to hide you from all-over-the-table ML? Sorry to say, but it sounds to me like a very badly set up table.
Also, Nimbus does have its use, true, but it is nowhere near the effectiveness of Smoke.

The Druze LGL provides you with some unique abilities, true, but operating in a Duo team, it lacks benefits of a Fireteam capitalize on it.
The problem is - it is a fairly slow platform that has to be deployed in your DZ, and has optimal range up to 16" away. Which, IMO< is somewhat short if we are to conisder Speculative Fire.

High WIP is very useful for Discovering Camo Markers.
It does little to actually neutralise them. So, classic anti-camo measures, off the top of my head, would be:

• MultiSpectral Visors, preferably Level 2 or better (yes, I know, QK has access to the MSV L2 only in the form of Djanbazan, but I'm talking in general). It is considered a hard counter to Camo / Smoke / ODD etc.
• Direct Template weapons. I've explained them above.
• Sixth Sense, preferably L2, as it allows you to react to Camo attacks without the Surprise penalty.
• Mines or E/Maulers, as they are Direct Templates that do also react to Camo Markers automatically, and they do react ot AROs (which is, again an unique ability). The problem is - that's not exactly common weapon in QK.
• Close Combat aces, since Close Combat doesn't give a damn about target's BS modifiers. Again, not exaclty QK's strong suit.
• Sensor and Sniffer/Sensor networks. They do discover Camo targets like a charm, and do not let them re-Camo again. You could also use Sensor to put a target lock (Targeted State) on the discovered model, making it easier to hit. The problems I see here is you need a very specific list build for that (Rafiq REM and some Fanous REMs), and spend quite a few Orders on that.
• Speculative Fire weapons and Smart Missiles. They don't give a damn about BS modifiers due to Camo. The problem is - you need to put a target lock on whatever you want to shoot in that way (required for Smart missiles, and highly recommended for Speculative Fire, as it does away with a major negative modifier). Speculative-capable weapons (grenades and grenade launchers) aren't too common in QK, and tend to be rather short ranged, so they usually are useful against targets of opportunity only.
• Hacking. Assuming the target is hackable (all TAGs, and most HI are, and some of these are Camo). But you need to have a Hacker or at least a Repeater nearby.
• high BS troops with either Shotgun at point-blank distance (yesterday I almost killed off a Sphinx with a BSG's AP slugs - I was just a little short on my luck), or a high-Burst weapon at reasonable distance. If oyu are going to roll enough dice, finally you'll nail it.

I'm afraid it is all I could get off the top of my head.

It was not the Deployable Repeaters nor E/Maulers that were a problem, but the platform they were on. A fireteam of Light Infantry with few Orders, and seemingly intended to stand in the back and provide long-ranged ARO.
Setting up both of these devices takes Orders. And you do plant them next to your base. It is rather unlikely an enemy TAG get into such an obvious trap.

Nope.

You need to go to him and plant one of these right close, so he'd be affected should he even twitch. Or force him to abandon the most convenient route, and burn extra Orders to get to you.
Like mines, E/Maulers and Deployable Repeaters are primarily area control / area denial devices. You plant them, your opponent will know where thay are and, essentially, what they are. And he'll have to either neutralise them somehow, or avoid that area (or get there and risk getting affected by it).

Heavy target, like a TAG or similar model, is usualy big. And attracts a lot of attention - preferably from models with AP weaponary:

• Missile Launchers, preferably in a Fireteam.
• Panzerfausts, ditto.
• Blitzens, ditto.
• ADHLs, ditto.
• EM Grenades, ditto.
• Feuerbach.
• AP HMG, preferably in Suppression Fire mode.
• MultiRifle or Multi Sniper Rifle, again, preferably in a Fireteam.
• Boarding Shotgun up close, ditto.
• Also, in most cases, a Hacker or Repeater with a Hacker elsewhere. Preferably an Assault Hacker.

A long-range ARO Flashpulse isn't going to kill it, but it can really annoy it. Which ain't a bad idea either.

No problem with that.
Just keep in mind to wash your hands clean before you join us for a meal :)

 

The Odalisque Haris is a very nice offensive package.

As for Assault Hacker... I'd suggest giving a look at the al'Hawwa. If we're not talking about a Fireteam, a Camo Infiltrator Assault Hacker has, IMO, a better chance of getting near the targets you'd like to hack... plus the added safety of being a Camo Marker.

Nb. it might make sense to post a few photos of the tables you guys use.

 

Do keep in mind that, although you are removed from link teams when placed in suppressive fire, dropping a command token and only one regular order to have the three of them (plus another regular model in the same group) drop into Sup. Fire for one regular order is an option. Next turn you can just re-build the harris with another command token for active turn goodness.

 

To be fair, obvious E/Maulers can still be a deterrent against enemy active pieces if it's placed so that said piece can only either chose to take another route entirely (hopefully wasting more than one extra order), or get a LoS on it approaching from expected direction, but so that it can't do so without stepping into trigger area. The value here is in the fact that even if opponent sends some cheap chaff into that mine, he must still spend some orders to come there, and if that unit is neutralized by the mine (or if it isn't suited to remove your troopers by itself), he then will need to spend orders again in order to get another piece there to capitalize on the opening.

Either way, that's wasting orders. That's the best thing to aim for on setting up your reactive turn.

That's why some people prefer to run troopers with mines in their midfield fireteams when possible. By not parking it too close to the enemy and laying a mine on the most convenient approach means that either that fireteam, or the rest of your forces are likely to remain mostly intact for the next turn, especially if you managed to dwindle opponent's order base a bit.