These came up in a recent game and I'm not sure I found the right answers so I want to ask here to be sure this is right: - A Gecko doesnt have courage and will make guts rolls despite being a tag. - if failed it can't go prone. - if damaged there is only one level of unconscious - when repairing I cannot use command tokens to repeat the roll - it still has a cube but that doesn't have any effect I was quite surprised but most things I assumed where TAG rules actually are only true for remote presence.
Ok, there are two kinds of TAGs: ones with Remote Presence (they now carry a "remote pilot", or ancillary unit; a remote that lets the TAG go offline and use it to act as a specialist), and ones with people inside (Pilots, who are now also some sort of specialist, and Operators, who are not). Please remember that "dismounting units" have their stuff "offline" while inside the TAG. So, the TAGs with Remote Presence get all the perks from being so: Courage, Engineers can repeat Repair rolls by expendind a Command Token, etc... The manned Tags, however, don't get the "engineer repeats the roll" perk, nor do they get any of the stuff Remote Presence does. Additionally, when the TAG goes Boom!, any wound that exceeded what the TAG had goes to the pilot. Also, as units with Structure instead of Wounds, they cannot go prone. Finally, about the Cube: like @Mahtamori said, the Gecko can be Sepsitorized by the Combined Army (not only the Avatar carries a Sepsitor, but it's the only one who always carries the non-disposable version), but it also means that, if the pilot is Unconscious, you can repeat Medic rolls by spending a Command Token if you want.
Well, they are cheaper! XD Also, Geckos are more like a superheavy HI, rocks that endure, rather than rambos. The Iguana brings a repeater and you can forget the engineer (since you would need to repair it wound per wound, which is a hassle), the Szalamander is really hard to hack and has a HMC, and the Lizard is one of the few TAGs still with Heavy Grenade Laucher! Sure they are not as good as remote presence tags, but they are cheaper (aside from the Xeodrons and Overdrons, which carry discount profiles with BS 13 for example) and you have the better logistical support of all the game (hacking, repeater coverage and AD engineers, for example).
Maybe, but the Brigada HMG becomes more attractive with these rules, since it can reliably be doctored, has courage and hides much better. Another question on the pilot: - as far as I read the pilot will only come out if I want it to and is removed anyway with a dead gecko so your comment on the wound transfer was probably meant for the iguanas ejection system?
The Brigada can only be healed while Unconscious (Medic skill Requirements: only works on Unconscious troops), while the TAGs, by having Structure, can be repaired as long as they are not topped up. That's why the Geckos are "rocks". There are 2 ways for Pilots to come out of the TAG: dismount (as part of a short movement order/ARO, executed by the pilot and only the pilot generates ARO - so no "my gecko fires and the Pilot dismounts) or the Expulsion system, as you say (Operators: Anaconda and Iguana). However, you need to remember that an Unconscious Gecko has a 1 Wound pilot inside, so you can spend a Short Order of movement to get the pilot out of the wreck and do stuff (I think the pilot won't be generating the order, since the TAG is in a Null state), or you can get an engineer to repair the TAG. If the pilot gets a transfered, unsaved wound, then the TAG cannot be brought online again. So yeah, the wound transfer is used primarily with the Anaconda and Iguana, but it can be worth noting it also works on regular Pilots.
A Pilot can get out of an Unconscious Manned TAG, but that's not the same thing as the wound transfer for the Anaconda and Iguana.
Just wanted to say that this part is wrong. It can't go prone because the TAG rules say it can't. The same for REM. But HI, LI, MI, SK or WB which could have STR, like Su-Jian, can go prone. Remember too that if a Manned TAG is destroyed, the Pilot is removed from the battlefield, even if he is still alive. It is the same if the Pilot is dead.
Strangely the Spanish version seems to say (with Google and my understanding about 1 word in 5) that the tag is removed when the pilot is dead, and the English says that the Pilot is removed when the a tag is dead... Baring in mind that the tag is useless without a pilot removing the tag/vehicle when the pilot is dead makes a kind of sense (though the wreck could still be used to block line of sight etc) but it seems a bit off that a pilot who Is potentially going to be on the other side of the table should be removed because the tag that they bailed out of bit the dust....
As someone new who is considering buying some Geckos I'm curious how caboab's comment is handled by the community. Is the pilot dead if the TAG is dead and vice versa?
Right, that woul teach me to remember the Skiavoros can go prone XD. A manned TAG (which is neither the Iguana nor the Anaconda) loses all of its STR and goes to Unconscious (the pilot is still alive, can dismount, and you can recover the TAG by repairing it... but all of those costs Orders and the TAG is in a Null State). If the TAG is Unconscious and gets one more wound, explodes and you retire the TAG without placing the Pilot on the table (I use the "mental note" that the Unconscious level of the manned tag is the Wound of the pilot, even if its not technically covered by the rules). If the pilot is out of the TAG and the TAG is then destroyed, then the pilot is not dead, can be used, and does NOT produce an order, nor it has point value, but you can still use it.
Dead TAG = Dead pilot http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Manned If the TAG or Vehicle figure of a Manned trooper whose Pilot dismounted enters the Dead state, remove both the TAG or Vehicle and the Pilot from play. If you want a fluff justification the pilot immediately withdraws once his TAG is destroyed, doesn't make perfect sense but them's the rules.
The way it's written in spanish refers that if the pilot dies, then remove the TAG. I'd say that the intention in the Manned effects is refering to the situation where the TAG goes from Unconscious to Dead and the pilot is inside.
Because the Pilots of TAGs in a Null state aren't counted for victory points or as casualties etc. As Dead is a Null state, killing the TAG automatically stops the Pilot death as counting for anything.
How does that part you quoted change anything? It just says a Pilot has to be killed when dismounted to count for scoring. It has no bearing on whether the pilot model is kept on the table. Also, a Remote Pilot remains on the table when the TAG is destroyed. I don't like the rule, but it's there.
So I am now fully confused. So if my Gecko is unconscious I can dismount. From then on if the Gecko is made dead my pilot is also dead?
