It's just that there is an actual historical precedent, specifically for the time and place you picked at random, and the subject can be really bloody touchy and volatile.
I think that this is actually the most plausible explanation. One that has the additional benefit of making YJ less villainous, so to adress the fears of some of the players.
Its explicitly not the story that CB wants to tell, though. The Psychocrane shows that. The Japanese *were* oppressed by a borderline genocidal regime who forgot to check for insurrection.
Maybe CB doesn't know what story it wants to tell. Or maybe Interruptor just isn't good enough to tell whatever the fuck he's trying to tell.
Or maybe the words of a single Crane Rank Agent should not be taken as representative of an entire faction especially when no war crimes was reported in any other theater of war (there are 8 by the way) especially when those war crimes happened in a single city of said theater and where committed by a singe division.
If they provided any other counterpoints I'd agree with you. As it stands that guy is the voice of Yu Jing for the story.
If a your voice is the only one being heard, it matters little what anyone else says, because noone can hear them. If CB didn't want the Yuandun to represent Yu Jing maybe they should have done a better job at providing more counterpoints than "toasterman nobody listened to" and "guy currently being investigated for Combined Army connections". Also, I'm pretty sure blowing up a dam in order to flood a city and kill everyone inside is a pretty heinous warcrime, and one that the Yuandun had nothing to do with.
Lol well I'm surprised this had lasted this long but alas I'm bowing out. This is all just getting dumb and boring. End of the day CB decides what happens in the story because it's their story to tell. You're part of the faction that's one of the bad guys and has since elements that are extremely bad. None of you are going to quit the game over this.
Of course I'm not gonna quit the game. I like the rules quite a bit. Quit the fluff or the faction on the other hand? Meybei. If the only thing that I actually cared much about turns out was just lies I'm better off shelving it and waiting for a Yu Jing I like the gameplay of. Just a damn shame its not coming until fucking 2023 or so.
I'm not sure I follow, there is just that quote from the Crane and may be 20-50 words about the Yuandun division and then may be another 50-60 words about the Dam incident (which did not kill every one nor even a majority of the population) and may 150 word late about a incident after the war was over about some Celestial Guard that killed a woman. That leave about 49 page of other stuff so why do you say that the Crane rank is the only voice heard. (PS just talking about the book here)
You're just talking about the book. But, you see, just like you can't take the Crane's quote without context, you can't take the book without context. Because Uprising is just one book, whereas Uprising + the publivity stunts and shenaningans + the narrative missions + the closed battle lists are little a bit more than the sum of its parts. As for those other 49 pages, would I be wrong if I supposed very few* if any put yu jing in any kind of good light? *From memory of what we have been spoiled there's Sun being ignored, Xi playing with kids and a High Command order saying "guys, don't bomb cities". And, little historian's student note here, if someone says "don't do X", it means X is something quite prevalent and that it happens frequently.
There's a section about 56:09 that you should listen to in this link: There is more critical feedback of this one issue than several entire faction forums. That's a lot of players trying to point out where something is failing and where it needs to be improved. Of course those players aren't going to have magically changed their minds and decided everything is great because CB have given them no reason to change their minds. And maybe it hasn't stopped us playing the game (although I know I've stopped all my Infinity purchases and haven't played a game since this debacle started while I wait to see what CB do) as it's something we clearly all cared deeply about but I doubt it would take much to push people over the edge from where they are. You could argue that actually CB have already lost me as a paying customer and it's just a matter of whether they can earn that custom back.
Serious question, what does it look like? Because in my experience it seems that lots of post-Uprising Infinity posting elsewhere has either almost died, or degenerated into shit-flinging against Uprising/Interruptor/Infinity fluff/CB practices. It's kinda impressive and horrifying at the same time, kinda like watching a traffic accident happen in slow motion.
Exactly what I've been getting at! That would certainly be a more probable way of how everything went down. More importantly, it makes it so that the Yanjing, the literal 'Eyes' of Yu Jing, aren't blind. Well, apparently the entire damn thing was a Kuge plot... Ungrateful bastards, they get bailed out of all their debt by Yu Jing, and then they don't want to pay the price for that help? I have a hard time believing that any nation would believe that the Kuge would honor any agreement after this. And that lack of trust should make it just about impossible for the new nation of Japan to issue any Government Bonds or to enter into any treaties. (If there's no trust in the government to honor commitments, they can't sell bonds to print money!) The US did it post-Civil War, the Chinese did it about the same time the Romans did, and the Soviets did it all the time. It's pretty typical, actually. And the US sold it as unifying the Army, instead of having to call up the various Militias/National Guard units. That is definitely preferable. A single division that has the stated approval of the Yu Jing Emperor, aka the entire YJ legal system. The English word is "train wreck", because even if those are traveling at 50kph they just keep going and going and you can't stop watching them (because if you do stop, something is going to come bouncing up and kill you). But yeah. It's something that CB should take a look at, when there has been more comments about the Uprising than there are comments in the Ariadna and Tohaa forums combined. And about 3/4 of those comments have been people upset about how the Uprising was presented.
If we're just counting replies, if you add up the three locked threads, this thread, and the one in the Spanish forum who is still unlocked, you have about 3000 replies, which is more than every faction forum but NA2 and I think nomads (if you add English to Spanish) .
But about 90% of those upset comments seem to be made by 5-6 people. Also even less people are defending everything CB has written. The rest, which is the vast majority, don't seem to care much either way. The uprising situation may have been handled poorly from a lore point of view but it got the job done as far as CB is concerned. It needed to put JSA out fast, it needed to paint them as close as possible to righteously good guys even at the cost of the opposition looking cartoonish if necessary. For example, the Tanko are currently leading the May release poll with 31 votes. That's at least 31 people who would (most likely) buy them regardless of what went in the lore. This by far outweighs the number of people who made a good number of upset comments. So yeah as far as CB is concerned it's a job well done.
There are more upset people in the background who stopped playing (all buys from CB on hold) and coming here from time to time to see if there is anything new on the matter
Eeeh... I don't think you understand the purpose of those polls. Best release is just that, voting on your favorite mini that came out that month. It certainly doesn't imply that everyome that votes them is going to buy them.
Let's assume that those 31 people all buy the Tanko box this month. Let's further assume that 90% of the 3000 comments have been made by 6 people. That still leaves ~300 other posts made by people that probably won't buy the Tanko. [ edit ] Let's even further assume that each additional person makes 10 posts, so now there are 36 people that aren't going to buy the Tanko (the 6 high-count posters and 30 others). That's a net loss of 5 sales. Let me say that again, that is at least 5 fewer sales than CB would have had if they didn't handle the Uprising the way they have. And it could be more than 36 fewer sales. Losing sales is not good for a company, it is something to be avoided at all cost.
The arrogance of comments like yours is one of the main fuels for this debate and the general discomfort of the Uprising situation. You might feel like you're helping out, but you're fanning the flames of a garbage fire that has pretty much ruined the nice guy image of Corvus Belli in the wargaming community. If you were to go out and talk about CB pre-Uprising you'd hear nothing but great things about them, their products, and the community that they grew over multiple years. The writing in Uprising has even brought the quality of the rest of the fluff into question, which was completely overlooked beforehand because of the overall quality of the game. It's unbelievably rude to say "none of you will leave the game over this". True, because many of us have invested a lot of money, time, and effort into this game. We're valued, long term, brand loyal customers, and you're making us out to be mindless wargaming addicts with an almost stockholm-syndrome like relationship with our "dealer". I'll be playing YJ in the campaign because I think I can have some fun with it by satirically doubling down on the evil, child killing, genocide faction. But if you think a large percentage of players won't just leave the faction you're mistaken. And if you think this incident is isolated to the customers who frequent this subforum then you're being naive and ignorant of how impactful word about a gaming company's reputation is.
