You are allowed to criticise, nobody was banned for criticising, or warned for criticising. Posters have been criticised on how they criticise and a few have been warned for the tone they criticise, this is another subject all together. We can debate for over 50 pages if the fluff in the book is elegant enouph, were the nuances lie and how it can is logical and consistent or not within the setting internal logic and how multiple people make different conclusions from the same sentences of the book. Debate of course demands both sides to participate, it does not need to reach a conclusion or agreement but at the very least try to accept what the other side says. If someone wants to criticise then by all means do, but in a polite and acceptable manner, many of the behaviour seen in this thread is not acceptable and should not be acceptable, there is a vast gap between "I understand CB wrote the book from JSA perspective, but I would rather have some Yu Jing perspective too, please keep it in mind for the next book" to "You turned Yu Jing to twirling moustache Saturday carton villains with this amateur fanfiction". Examples are dramatised for expression and not directed at anybody in particular. To be fair there was some good criticism and has been passed on, but the majority of the thread is not what I would consider good behaviour or criticism. Concluding please remember that the people you criticise are humans and should be treated with the respect any human deserves.
I'm not expecting or demanding an apology, I don't think that is warranted. I am just quite disappointed by how you seem to think that anything that is not insipid is an insult. Criticism can be vehemently AND respectfully expressed. I am very thankful to the staff for providing this awesome game; I also think I am well within my right as a consumer and a reader to express astonishment at the obvious lack of proofreading. If that's disrespectful for you I must agree with the poster that wondered, a few posts back, in what what wonderful private garden of an Internet have you been living.
If I can interject something slightly off topic. Mechanically I don't mind the split in the faction as I always felt they where pretty different mechanically anyway. I am kind of surprised however that the fluff is getting this much passion as opposed to the sectorials worth of nurf lol. Where the Japanese troops just that incidental to the faction?
I think I was clear, I am not saying not critique things you find lacking, just critique them is a polite manner.
Nope, the damage to vanilla is massive and underplayed. Imagine PanO players if they suddenly had to pay 11 points to put a regular non-impetuous combi rifle on the field and machinists/Trauma docs each bought half a points worth of CC for a point. Then Auxilia get given to another faction and get a 1 point reduction for no stat change. This is a thread about fluff though.
Eh, the 1 point more cheerleaders/support doesn't really mean much. That a minor issue. Much more annoying to me would be the lost of the JSA bikes and the Shinobi.
That's just straight up incorrect, and I wish you and anyone else would stop telling me what these changes mean to me. Those changes are a big deal no matter how many times this is repeated. It railroads players into using Kuang Shi even more, which was already a problem. A new 8 point tax on from turning 3 Keisotsu to Zhanshi, 1 Tokusetsu to gongcheng and 1 tokusetsu to yisheng completely ruins any Guijia, Sun Tze, Hac Tao or Tiger list I'd run without KS. Both Yaozao are out, or specialists are getting downgraded, or orders are going down and I'm using useless panguling and chaiyi for an ugly mismatched remote petting zoo that can't return fire in an emergency.
To be fair, the Chaiyi is awesome. If you aren't using them you're missing out. (not that this changes your point, which I agree with)
Also, if you are building a Tiger + EVO list, you can only get 2 mismatched remotes in your petting zoo because the Yaopu availability is 2. You pretty much have to rebuild the list as yet another kuang shi list, might as well through in a rui shi to shoot through that smoke and oh look it's the same as every other Yu Jing list again.
"A new 8 point tax on from turning 3 Keisotsu to Zhanshi, 1 Tokusetsu to gongcheng and 1 tokusetsu to yisheng completely ruins any Guijia, Sun Tze, Hac Tao or Tiger list I'd run without KS." So you were ok with every list including Keisotsu Butai? Off topic: Could I ask you to PM what those lists you use look like or point to a topic with them. I am planning to expand my collection to Yu Jing so I'm curious to see what you play. If thats not too much trouble.
They've been a part of Yu Jing for a lot longer than Kuang shi and are a lot more generic in their function, so yeah, as long as Zhanshis pay more points to be worse than Fusiliers I was OK.
So those who dislike the direction the fluff has taken must accept the posters who say that they’re entitled crybabies as having a valid opinion. Must accept that the white knighting that denies any lack of perfection is valid, whilst consistently being told that their concerns are baseless attacks on the author. That they are too stupid to understand the perfection of the fluff. Right. Understood. Yet, that is an accurate description of how YJ has been flanderized. It’s valid feedback. So CB’s greatest white knight is the gatekeeper of valid feedback. That’s beyond pathetic. It’s grossly inappropriate. It’s incredibly unprofessional. @Koni are you paying attention?
Happy to see that defused, since it is totally clear that whoever jumps against your generic warnings without knowing if did anything wrong is the one that needs to stop writing, take a deep breath and think his inner moderator is calling on :) Mostly no, but some troops were critical like it was exposed. For example, the first consequence of the Uprising is that JSA can no longer field a full Hidden Deployment list (yes, it was possible. With 8-10 models too), YJ has lost the Oniwaban (a "big game hunter" because of his monofilament CCW) and the cheerleaders people used to avoid Kuangshi spam (the Tokusetsu was 2 points cheaper than a Zanshi, with 1 less BS, 1 less WP and courage, more than enough to leave behind protecting a flank), the medic/engineer were 1 point cheaper and with courage on the JSA for 1 less BS aswell. So, 3 Zanshi + 1 medic + 1 engineer, as the cheapest option, are now 8 points more expensive just to sit there (which before meant another order thanks to the cheaper bots). Also, YJ had the possibility to field 2 medics and 2 engineers, but now it can only do that on Imperial Service (because of the 1 Sophotect). Mind you, YJ needs more engineers, without reaching the Nomad's level. PanO should have another one, too, since both factions have fluff stuff to live up to (PanO with the "TAG faction" and YJ with the "Heavy Infantry" faction). A whole order lost because the cheapest non-kuangshi, non-8pts remote is 2 points more expensive, and your only medic and engineer (of which you can field 1 of each, since they have separate profiles despite their only difference being the Medic+Medikit/engineer skills) are 1 point more expensive... That's not something to sniff at. As for the bikes, unless they are re-sized or changed in a way that ensures you will be able to cross the table using more than just 2 routes (because the others are too narrow, for example), I doubt people will want to risk fielding them.
Nope. Haramaki link changes in JSA made me start using them. Never bought the vanilla Yu Jing starter.
From what I get the impact varies from player to player and ranges from significant to not important depending on the meta and play style choices, definitely the ITS oriented players feel the impact more since a point saved is a point invested somewhere else, how this will shape up the ITS will be interesting to see. @Dragonstriker I am not sure what makes you think that CB does not read the forum and more importantly the Warcors who are neither monolithic nor yesmen do not read the forum and pass on feedback to CB? feedback gets passed along.
Pardon me, I had like 6 pages to catch up on in the last 36 hours... Well, apparently the entire damn internet was against YJ. Between everyone's intelligence agencies and Aleph itself, there was no way that YJ atrocities were going to stay secret, even without psychoCrane "helping" things along. I'd like everyone to think about what would happen if the US and Russia were shooting at each other for 20 days without a declaration of war. And I'm not talking about shooting at each other over Syria. (Though the US and Russia are very careful to avoid even pointing aircraft radars at each other there) I'm talking about shooting at each other over Russian territory or over US territory. If that idea doesn't scare the everliving shit out of you, you're not paying attention. Either that, or the idea got you puckered so tight you're not going to shit for a month. If I can't say that I don't like this product in any way, shape, or form, well, I'm not going to be a customer of CB anymore. Are you sure that's the line you want to draw, as their unpaid representative? Driving people away from the company? All of CB needs to read that bold+italicized sentence. @Bostria , @Interruptor , @Koni It would be terrible if CB suffered the same fate as Rackham. PS, I'm going to show you 3 books. (there should be a third book cover for MHMemoirs: Saints, but Amazon isn't cooperating) Guess what? John Ringo called up Larry Correia and said, "I love the Monster Hunter setting, I've got a character and location I've been working on for it." Larry said, "Really? Cool, let me read it!" The rest was history. Three books, all of which are bestsellers by themselves. So yeah, I think John Ringo (who has a good half-dozen NYTimes bestsellers himself) will object to your description of fanfic. Yes, there is some atrocious fanfic out there. Some of it is so bad that it created actual tropes used in modern conversation (like Mary Sue). But tarring all fanfic with that brush is ... ignorant, at best. Uhm, I really hate to tell you that the original Ghazi Muttawiah were suicide bombers. Fortunately we got that changed with the Jammers. Euskadi comes from Boise, ID! (No really, we have more Basques and Basque speakers in my hometown than there are left in the Pyrenees Mountains) No, but the Japanese were not a good fit with the rest of YJ. And you'd better believe the fluff is getting some hate-mail over mass graves of civilians, to say nothing of the idea that the part of YJ that is supposed to be dedicated to defeating insurgencies is actively gloating over the mass graves and is broadcasting this gloat to the Japanese people as a threat... There's not a facepalm big enough. I mean, this is where I'd want the YJ Emperor to go Darth Vader "you have failed me for the last time".
I'd enjoy that........wait, thats a bad thing? Come on, I want a model of the YJ Emperor force chocking someone.
