Biotechvore, Loot/Sabotage and Onyx?

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  1. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Next tournament's scenarios have just been announced. Firefight, Biotechvore, Safe Area, Loot and Sabotage.

    Three I've never actually played. Hah.

    Biotechvore and Loot/Sabotage seem like scenarios you have to build for.

    ...

    Biotechvore - Killing zone 8" outside deploy, screwed up additional deployment rules. Kill stuff, have stuff survive. Has a couple classifieds.

    So anything 4/4 movement or worse needs two orders to escape. You're only going to get a single coordinated order as your enemy will restrict you.

    Is this the kind of scenario where you benefit taking a Sphinx? Or even a link team (probably Unidrons) or a Xeodron link? Both a 5 man link and Haris will 100% let me get out of deploy without needing more than a single coordinated order. Also lets me protect heavy point models in single units.

    ...

    Loot and Sabotage is interesting. Damage the AC2, kill the AC2 with your datatracker, a single classified and pull more weapons out of the box.

    Being scenery, I guess that means I need K1 or anti-material weapons. Or tag fists. Might be a valid use of the Samaritan or something.

    I feel like trying to pull out more stuff from the boxes is kinda wasted orders, unless it's gonna come down to 1-2 points.

    ...

    Anyway, any tips/tactics for these two scenarios? I'll be playing them repeatedly in the next month.
     
  2. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    In Looting and Sabotaging you can only damage the thing in CC, so my suggestion is to put a legate in a Unidron Fireteam and just run at the thing and tear it down.
     
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  3. krossaks

    krossaks Well-Known Member

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    I guess the two misions are perfect for an sphinx build. I played both on a tournement with this list:

    [​IMG] Biotecvoro──────────────────────────────────────────────────GRUPO 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG] ESFINGE Spitfire, 2 Lanzallamas Pesados / Arma CC EXP. (2 | 106) [​IMG] [​IMG] SCINDRON Pulso Flash / Cuchillo. (0 | 0)[​IMG] ZÁNGANO-R Pulso Flash, Sniffer / Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 8)[​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)[​IMG] NOCTÍFERO Teniente Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1 | 24)[​IMG] MED-TEC ÓBSIDON MEDCANOIDE Fusil Combi, Cargas-D / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 23)[​IMG] IKADRON (Bagaje, Repetidor) 2 Lanzallamas Ligeros, Pulso Flash / Pistola, Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 9)[​IMG] IKADRON (Bagaje, Repetidor) 2 Lanzallamas Ligeros, Pulso Flash / Pistola, Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 9)GRUPO 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG] LEGADO UMBRA Fusil Combi K1, Pulso Flash / Pistola, Arma CC DA. (0 | 40)[​IMG] UNIDRON Lanzamisiles, Escopeta Lig. / Pistola, Pulso Eléctrico. (1.5 | 20)[​IMG] UNIDRON Spitfire / Pistola, Pulso Eléctrico. (1 | 18)[​IMG] UNIDRON (Observ. de Artillería) Carabina de Plasma / Pistola, Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 15)[​IMG] NEXUS Hacker (Disp. de Hacker IE) Fusil Combi, Nulificador / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 24) 6 CAP | 300 PuntosAbrir en Infinity Army

    The list is not perfect, look after 2 month i may risk making the nexus Leutinent and picking more orders and maybe a mankreep to cover the objective on Loot and saboutage. Both misions favour the rambo tag but it's true that biotecvoro hurt a bit the unidron link.


    The umbra legate could be swaped by a hacker plus and the nexus hacker for the new spec ops anyway.

    For loot and saboutage with sphinx i recomend to play the atrition game until you can go safe with the sphinx, even with a Exp weapon the objective is heavy armoured and without critics going on a kamikaze attack eating ARO is very risky.
     
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  4. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I was thinking something like that.
     
  5. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Yeah - I think Leviathan's plan was Sphinx when the Air Conditioner mission came up. EXP ccw plus marker state = win.

    Staring down the barrel of Hunting Party next weekend. Still haven't written a list ;-;
     
  6. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Leviathan?

    It's pretty neat; tgiasett of scenarios is going to make me experiment with TAGs.

    Or I could just play Tohaa and not need to change a thing.
     
  7. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I like this list a lot with Biotechvore:


    [​IMG] Biotechvore?
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] RODOK Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] RODOK Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] RODOK Paramedic (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] XEODRON Red Fury, Blitzen / Heavy Pistol. (1 | 59)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] XEODRON K1 Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Heavy Pistol. (0.5 | 59)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] UMBRA SAMARITAN Lieutenant Spitfire, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (1 | 44)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
    5.5 SWC | 298 Points
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    This one could probably do the rest:


    [​IMG] Careful with that Edge
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] UNIDRON K1 Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 17)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 20)
    [​IMG] KERR-NAU (UPGRADE: White Noise) Plasma Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] UMBRA LEGATE Lieutenant Spitfire, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 41)
    [​IMG] UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    [​IMG] UMBRA LEGATE K1 Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 40)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] MALIGNOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    6 SWC | 291 Points
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  8. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Thats me.

    Yeah, Sphinx is super good at that mission. There's very few sources of DA or EXP available to onyx and that one has the best chance of getting there and doing significant damage.

    As well as generally being really good at the mission.
     
  9. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Those are some super interesting lists.

    Only been playing Onyx since January and have not really branched out past Unidron based lists.

    Haven't tried Rodoks all.
    Haven't used my Xeodrons.
    Triple Legate seems like insanity.
    And neither list has Dr Worm.
    And both are ten orders. I'm used to 14-16.
     
  10. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    With biotechvore you want stuff that's fast and/or linkable, you can't rely on infiltrators or AD, and you want either a ton of orders or a single combat group, so that you can get everything to move twice.
     
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  11. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Any suggestions for Sphinx based lists for these scenarios?

    I'm sure it'll end up being like, Nexus Hacker, Dr Worm, Unidrons, Sphinx, couple order monkeys/tool modes.
     
  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Who is your lieutenant? Having a Nexus hacker as your lt is just asking for it imo.
     
  13. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    It'd probably be a Nexus Specialist.

    I really don't like hackers as Lt.
     
  14. Proletarian

    Proletarian Well-Known Member

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    Here is what I would run for both Loot and Sabotage and Biotechvore:

    [​IMG] Onyx Contact Force
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] UMBRA SAMARITAN (EI Assault Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Goodnight) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43)
    [​IMG] XEODRON Red Fury, Blitzen / Heavy Pistol. (1 | 59)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] XEODRON MULTI Rifle, Blitzen / Heavy Pistol. (0.5 | 58)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] NEXUS Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1 | 18)
    [​IMG] KERR-NAU (UPGRADE: White Noise) Plasma Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    3.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Two link teams lets you flee the biotechvore zone pretty easily and lots of nice short range weapons on the unidrons and xeodrons favours that close in fighting that biotechvore will force you to do.

    In Loot and Sabotage you have a few options. The Xeodrons can punch the AC2 to death, and the bonus from the link will put it at a respectable CC14 burst 3 dmg 15. Ideally the samaritan swings by a panoply on the way through, grabs some Dcharges and swings in at burst 3 cc21 AP+EXP dmg 16. That should in theory drop the AC2 in a single order. Failing all of that Kerr Nau has Dcharges by default and with his 5man unidron link should be able to push in easy enough.
     
  15. Styx

    Styx Cat.IE~~

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    Isn't quick... But you can go with all on the middle and leaving safe the dangerous zone, that Nexus lt hacker you need to Buff first without fireteam with lt order, then add into Core and go with 10 orders to moving with coordinated on sphinx+worm+ikadrone. On bioctebore works fine this, and huge BTS to get better chance.

    [​IMG] L&S
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] SPHINX Spitfire, 2 Heavy Flamethrowers / EXP CCW. (2 | 106)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] SCINDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] NEXUS Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1 | 18)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON K1 Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 17)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 38)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 37)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    I think on looting+sabotage, sphinx are so great for that and picking 1 panople maybe its worth with a X-visor looted, i like Rodoks here with her, for close firefights and adding a large mines barrier covering your PAC, before with 2 coordinated orders on 4(full shootgunners) miners rodoks to adding 8 mines, or 6 if you go with 3, and go back to reforming the team. So runing with Bit pitchers, on the middle table and near the sphinx, then you can secure her with Bit+AIE rodok, from hackers and HI CC especialist (like cranes or something) to hunt that Sphinx.
    [​IMG] L&S
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] SPHINX Spitfire, 2 Heavy Flamethrowers / EXP CCW. (2 | 106)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] SCINDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] RODOK HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] RODOK Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] RODOK Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] RODOK Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] NOCTIFER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 24)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  16. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    This thread has been really solid, thanks guys.

    As a result I've ordered a few more things and have a lot to experiment with.

    I'll be trying out..
    Rodok link
    Xeodron link
    Sphinx
    Legates

    Lists that combinations of different links.
     
  17. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Out of curiosity, how would vanilla handle it.

    No links, messed up forward deployment, restricted command token used by the enemy..

    Seems bad?
     
  18. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Imetrons are your only saving grace, but yeah, some troops will die for the cause.
     
  19. Proletarian

    Proletarian Well-Known Member

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    Here is my vanilla list for Loot and Sabotage and Biotechvore .

    [​IMG] List 1──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] AVATAR Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Sepsitor Plus / DA CCW. (3.5 | 137) [​IMG] [​IMG] STALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) 5 SWC | 298 PointsOpen in Infinity Army

    Loot and Sabotage :

    The Avatar will be the datatracker. The extra point for the DT killing the AC2 is only awarded for the last wound dealt. So the plan is for the rasyat to drop in first turn, drop smoke on the AC2 and whack a Dcharge/DA ccw against it. Ideally I'll deal three wounds and leave it null but not destroyed. The Avatar can then get rid of as many threats as possible and in the last turn walk up and do the last hit. Everything else in the list is designed to be defensive.

    Biotechvore :

    The daturazi impetuous up and throw smoke to cover the escape, then from there everything except the ikadron can move out of the zone in a single order leaving hopefully an order or two to get the Q drone and avatar into a good position to keep my opponent in their zone. Every order spent fighting them is an order no leaving the zone.
     
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  20. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I think if you use multi-wound, impetuous, and Imetrons, you can do it.
     
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