getting frustrated with Listbuilding for 400pts tournament

More Intruders, and use geckos I'd say!

Perhaps lupe for smoke + MSV

 

Corregidor: Brigada HMG + Hacker + Tinbot + 2 more (it's good to have at least 1 BSG). Wildcat Haris (engineer, haris, spitfire), Tomcat medic, TAG you can fit.

Bakunin: Riot Grrrls! Core (ML, Spitfire, tinbot, x2 SO), Kusanagi Spitfire Haris with Custodier and Healer (or haris of 2 custodier & 1 healer), Lizard, whatever you can fit (taskmaster, prowler...). Be aware that the Custodier needs to have Fairy Dust up at all times...

Generic: Szalamander, Kriza, Taskmaster, Intruder HMG, 2x Prowler ADL, Spekter or Tomcat Engineer, Healer nun/daktari, Jaguar 13pts, choice of second intruder (ADL or hacker if possible, Lt if not)...

Wihtout knowing more, I cannot say better options. Points juggling will be your responsibility, but the cheapest (in effort terms) option is to go Dual Tag in vanilla with some hacking backup and weak units.

 

The Mobile Brigada are useless, even in LI. Go big big or go home. This is the 3rd list I made with LI 400 point Corregidor. It mostly started as a joke, just to put on a trollface when you informed your opponent that you had 5 TAG's. This list turned out to be suprisingly strong, because few armies can actually "afford" low costing killer hackers and due to the nature of how 400 point lists works, hacking vulnerability becomes suprisingly relevant, which makes the Iguana supringlsly strong in that format (also Gecko's being loaded with Panzerfausts and especially Blitzers helps a lot).

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IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife. ()
GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (0.5 | 54)
GECKO PILOT 2 Assault Pistols, Knife. ()
GECKO 2 Combi Rifles, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / . (0 | 53)
GECKO PILOT 2 Assault Pistols, Knife. ()
GECKO 2 Combi Rifles, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / . (0 | 53)
GECKO PILOT 2 Assault Pistols, Knife. ()
GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (0.5 | 54)
GECKO PILOT 2 Assault Pistols, Knife. ()
WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (2 | 20)
WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (2 | 20)
WILDCAT Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
WILDCAT Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
WILDCAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)

8 SWC | 394 Points

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Lists like this give credit to the CA's infiltration of the Nomads... I bet you more than one player sees this, wants to try it... and finds quickly they will need 2 geckos... or use those 2 Xeodrons as proxies Xd

 

yep, reading the thread title that is what I assumed.

I don't understand why player and TO make 400 LI. I'm not even sure why they make LI in general with the new season giving the LI 2-order rule to any type not just LI, you should let player pick their own choice of LI or not. If you want a LI tournament, i'd use 300Pts. 400 Pts LI is very restrictive on list building, more so with some faction than other.

I mostly only play bakunin, looking at 10 models at an average of 40Pts each. For each model you take over 40, you can have a couple under 40. How many units we have at about 40 ? Kusanagi is on time-out. The Lizard might lack proper support. Taskmaster if you have bought enough of them as S5 will be hard to proxy. There is also Bran do Specialist very close to 40.

I guess you can splurge on AVA 4 zondbot because as don't take any room in your model count and they give free discovery attempt, the opponent would be silly to waste any of his 10 orders in killing them, they can block some corner (so the opponent don't grab the corner cover) or doorways or narrow alleys (basically same as HVT duties); they are not as good as warcors but they don't take a slot.

 

400 LI tournament is a fun stuff that could be played in a short round time, without 3 combat group bloat and appropriate delays.

I`ve deleted both vanilla rosters I`ve composed for winter 400 LI tournament, but there were Gekkos (I have 2), Szalamandra, RF Taskmaster and Spektrs. Now I think i will fit Kriza too.

Gekkos are especially good because of low SWC cost. Spektrs are great because of TO+Infiltration+Hidden deployment to control areas. Szalamandra is badass in killing heavies with B 5 AP. And bring some KHD, there will be a lot AHD))

 

So here is a list I thought about for Vanilla. If you don't need specialists:

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ZOE & PI-WELL . (0 | 47)
ZOE (Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Stop!) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
PI-WELL Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 19)
KRIZA BORAC HMG / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 54)
BRAN DO CASTRO Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 33)
TASKMASTER Red Fury, Pulzar, CrazyKoalas + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 53)
TASKMASTER Boarding Shotgun, Pulzar, CrazyKoalas / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 43)
INTRUDER HMG, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 42)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife. ()
REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
INTERVENTOR Hacker Lieutenant (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
8 SWC | 400 Points
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This should give you all the tools you need to deal with just about anything. I think double taskmasters is gross in LI because when you only can have 10 orders max, CrazyKoalas get way scarier. You could replace BranDo with a Spektr but eh. Buffs and repairs all day for the Reaktion.

 

Faster playing times. And the 400 pts, possibly to incentivate people to run TAGs. That's why knowing the exact missions is useful, since it's not the same prepping a list for Deadly Dance than for Frontline, Annihilation, Hunting Party...

 

LI is super fun that's why.

 

Why not play vanilla?

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LIZARD MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 87)
LIZARD PILOT Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. ()
SIN-EATER Mk12 / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 30)
INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
MORAN Boarding Shotgun, CrazyKoalas (2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
MORAN Boarding Shotgun, CrazyKoalas (2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
INTERVENTOR Hacker Lieutenant (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, 1 FastPanda / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (0.5 | 54)
GECKO PILOT 2 Assault Pistols, Knife. ()
GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (0.5 | 54)
GECKO PILOT 2 Assault Pistols, Knife. ()
TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 34)
TSYKLON Spitfire, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 31)

8 SWC | 400 Points

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Obvious LT is obvious, but meh, just giving rough ideas.

 

Well I do play LI a lot, I just don't see why to impose it on other players. I guess forcing everyone to include at least one TAG could be a reason, but not everyone wants to play TAG. The tag-favored missions and the current season inherent TAG bonus should be plenty incentive already.

true. I guess at 400 there are several players who'd go for 21+ models, we should invent a new format which is 2 group max then i'll be happy :)

For me, 400 is 200Pts twice, so i tend to stay around two partial combat groups. If I look at it as 300+100 bonus then maybe I could see going 2 combat group + 10 morlocks.

 

It's different when you can expect all of your opponents to do it too.

 

400 points LI mainly annoys me because it's impossible for the Ariadna sectorials and Hassasin Bahamas to get to 400 points with only 10 models.

 

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BLACKJACK AP HMG, Chest Mines, D.E.P. / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 36)
BLACKJACK T2 Sniper, Submachine Gun, Chest Mines / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 36)
BLACKJACK T2 Sniper, Submachine Gun, Chest Mines / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 36)
DEVIL DOG Heavy Shotgun, Smoke Grenades + 1 K-9 Antipode / AP CCW. (0 | 39)
K-9 ANTIPODE AP CCW. (7)
DEVIL DOG Heavy Shotgun, Smoke Grenades + 1 K-9 Antipode / AP CCW. (0 | 39)
K-9 ANTIPODE AP CCW. (7)
DEVIL DOG Heavy Shotgun, Smoke Grenades + 1 K-9 Antipode / AP CCW. (0 | 39)
K-9 ANTIPODE AP CCW. (7)
UNKNOWN RANGER (Specialist Operative) Molotok / Heavy Pistol, T2 CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 47)
VAN ZANT (Executive Order) AP Rifle / Heavy Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 39)
MINUTEMAN AP HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34)
MINUTEMAN Lieutenant AP HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 34)

8 SWC | 379 Points

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Agreed, an entire tournament being set at 400 pts. LI is a giant middle finger to anyone that plays non-elite armies.

Basically taking max AVA on every expensive unit in USARF you can get this.

Why not Semi-LI like 15 order max? That way anyone who wants to go super-elite can still stay at 1 group, not be able to have their order pool nerfed, and non-elite armies have a bit more wiggle room which they'll be punished for if they get to go first?

 

I think LI is fine at least for USAr but at 400 points it's not possible. My group is small enough that we could make unique exceptions. Probably won't ever play that anyways though.

 

Well any format different from default 300 pts is a shift towards some factions and bad things for other, like 100 pts would be big middle finger to players who love to field TAGs. So that it is - just some fun format.

 

Try this

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MOBILE BRIGADA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 43)
GRENZER (Forward Observer, Sensor) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
TASKMASTER Red Fury, Pulzar, CrazyKoalas + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 53)
INTERVENTOR Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, 1 FastPanda / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
TOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges + 1 Zondcat / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
ZONDCAT Electric Pulse. (4)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife. ()
SIN-EATER HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 33)
REVEREND HEALER MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 37)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 39)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
6 SWC | 400 Points
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Or this

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INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
INTERVENTOR Hacker Lieutenant (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, 1 FastPanda / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
TOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges + 1 Zondcat / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
ZONDCAT Electric Pulse. (4)
INTRUDER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 43)
REVEREND HEALER MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 37)
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife. ()
PROWLER (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 33)
KRIZA BORAC HMG / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 54)
7 SWC | 398 Points
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