Did the process and conclusion of "backdoor" improve your Infinity experience?

Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by Plebian, Apr 3, 2018.

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How do you feel about Backdoor

  1. I have a favorable opinion

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  2. I have an unfavorable opinion

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  3. I have no opinion

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  4. I do not know what that is

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  1. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Swiss, Montessa LGL, Squallo and Seraph.
     
  2. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Bolts are great.

    PanO players can justifiably whinge about a few things but Bolts are great, and have been all N3.
     
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  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Interpreting this as "PanO is underpowered or gets less love from the design team" is just a mistake, and I know that's what you're trying to imply here. PanO won the last Interplanetario, but it's not generally thought of as overpowered, so we know its *external* balance is fine. And the internal balance is much better than, say, Tohaa. So I think that means the faction is in a real good place, mechanically.

    Now, obviously, fluff-wise it's the worst faction imaginable and all PanO players should feel ashamed for playing it, but I'm talking pure mechanics here /s
     
  4. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic
     
  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    @AdmiralJCJF Are you trying to say that the balance that PanO has is an accident and not the result of a conscious decision by CB's design team? That's orthogonal to my point.
     
  6. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    No, just that your evidence of their balance is bullshit.

    You might be right, but your Interplanetario example doesn't do anything to support the claim.
     
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  7. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    That's not a Texas Sharpshooter fallacy then. What was their win/ loss ratio over the last season of ITS?
     
  8. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    People seem to win with Pano quite a lot. I'm not going to bother bringing up all the major tournaments but I'm fairly certain Pano feature in the top 5 their fair share.

    Either that means;

    1. PanO players are just better players
    2. PanO isn't actually as crap as people on this forum might make them out to be

    I know which one I think is more likely.
     
  9. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    If you've got another argument to make, YOU make it.

    I'm not making your own arguments for your lazy arse.

    That might well be true.

    But I've never made any claim about PanO's success rate.

    Just pointed out that there aren't any "broken up" units in PanOceania.
     
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  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    @AdmiralJCJF Don't act like you weren't trying to imply that PanO was underpowered.
     
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  11. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    FWIW, I read it more like he's saying it's a little bit homogeneous because everything is balanced exactly to the same point of "just a tiny bit better than average" and nothing is a stand out crazy option.
     
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  12. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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  13. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    I don't care make a new thread.
     
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  14. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Right, now that this is settled can we go back to discussion?
     
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  15. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Sure.

    Was there something on the original topic you wanted to add?

    I've said my piece.
     
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  16. Andre82

    Andre82 Well-Known Member

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    it is also possible that the competitive seen is so relaxed/unformed that it is allowing most jank lists to have a good chance to win, coupled with PanO having more players would equal PanO winning most tournaments.
     
  17. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Ariadna's meta would not change significantly, and its HI are, at most, dogged immune to shock 1W... but hackable nevertheless... they would be more grateful by getting extra Autocannons if such change were to be applied.

    Infinity syndrome: a troop is great, but is left on the benches because there are more interesting options (namely a bunch of fusiliers to fuel a TAG instead of a Bolts fireteam, most of the time).

    Back onto topic, the banned characters left me with a "meh, no change at all" aside from Tarik (but I have Saladin, and I was focusing on QK, so...).
     
  18. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Nah Id run the heck out of Greys at 24 pts for hte AP HMG, just spam em and murder everything, and 15 for the T2 BS would be insane.

    Thats before you even get to the Blackjacks and mormaers
     
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  19. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Still, less AVA than other 2W HI... specially YJ with his fuckton of options. Granted, a lot of the most juicy HI are actually on the 50+ points cost, but...

    Anyway, combine this and the 0SWC hackers... "Armored ops" ftw XD
     
  20. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Its sectorials sure, but Greys are AVA 5 in CHA and Blackjacks are AVA3.
     
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