Alliance with Ca

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  1. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Well if you read the dire foes fluff, Sun Tze and Saladin are quite the free thinkers, not entirely sure how they manage to hide it from Aleph, but recreations or not they are independent.
     
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  2. Dude

    Dude Master in training

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    Also they're BFFs :)
     
  3. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    I don't think there's ever been any implication that ALEPH has any ongoing intervention with the recreations.

    So ALEPH is probably very aware of the fact that they are free thinkers, having designed that as part of their recreations.
     
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  4. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Well Wallace background and Avicenna's imply heavily Aleph has some "connection" with its recreations.
     
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  5. Shiwen

    Shiwen Commissar, Yu Jing Political Work Department

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    yeah, Recreations aren't aspects of Aleph at all are they? They're more... children? Or flowers from the garden, planted, sprouted, grown, carefully pruned and watered and positioned to get optimum light and shade. I'd say that pruning is going to involve aligning Aleph's flowers with Aleph's perspective, but once they've left your garden you can only look on as wayward buds and branches sprout in different directions.

    Then again, there is certainly some sort of tracking or monitoring element since the Nomads had to dig in to Avicenna and W... @psychoticstorm just posted as i was typing, I am too slow it seems... and the Hassassins absolutely seem to believe there is a deeper connection between a Recreation and Aleph. The Avicenna experiment SEEMS to show that the connection to Aleph isn't inherent to the Recreations, but then again has that experiment reached its conclusion or is it still midway through and the answer as yet undetermined?
     
  6. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    @Shiwen It's implied that Wallace is only capable of having loyalty to Caledonia/Ariadna because of his connection to Aleph being destroyed. It seems more like the Recreations are Aleph's 5th column/agents. Sure, they are capable of independent thought, but their higher-order goals and motivations look like they are crafted by Aleph.
     
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  7. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Well they may also be "sleeper agents" of shorts not knowing that they are until they need to act and then revert to sleeper state not knowing anything.
     
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  8. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    That is a fair call.

    'though in both cases it's easy to read that as ALEPH being able to continue to "look in".

    Which is still consistent with the example of Sun Tze and Saladin.
     
  9. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Both Sun Tze and Saladin are capable of hiding information and memories from ALEPH, as Dire Foes 5: Viral Outbreak lays out.
     
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  10. Section9

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    The problem is that the Imperial Service shouldn't have needed reining-in in the first place. Sun pleaded for 'restraint' because what the Imperial Service was doing was making the problem worse.

    In order to move on from that point, you're going to need a massive purge of the Imperial Service and a whole lot of pitching the Invincible Army as protecting all the non-combatants regardless of ethnicity.

    I don't know that CB is going to do that. It could be *great* storytelling if they did, but it makes Yu Jing more likeable (which isn't something that they seem to be interested in doing).
     
  11. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    I would like to ask what do you have in mind there.
    I do understand that putting an end to chaos is what people can be somewhat appreciative of regardless of how entire mess is started, but since "restoring order" in case of large revolt can involve doing the same thing police was doing, but on a larger scale and in more radical ways, I'm not sure I can agree if it's really that amazing for morale.

    It can work when revolution throws the state into complete disarray that effectively destroys the state institution and after a few years people don't care about memories of oppression as much as they care about rampant banditry, absence of infrastructure and local self-proclaimed "landlords" who can sometimes be into even greater atrocities than any police state, but I don't think this is scenario that we can see happening to Yu Jung.
     
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  12. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Do or don't anything, it can be used against YJ. So, having fun is the minimum, I'd say *shrug*

    Meh, I think it's more like he has some common sense and knows the ISS was making a bad situation worse.

    They have long-term plans not officially endorsed by Aleph, which is what makes the "YesSir" Deva wanting to report them.

    Cube 2.0, their cubes are constantly sending data to Aleph, and he can resleeve them if they die. Wallace and Avicenna are not "re-recreated" because, simply, it would go against the law of the Human Sphere (that little bit about having multiple copies of one person being exceedingly illegal).

    Or they think they do. Or Aleph is turning a blind eye because Aleph has hardcoded limitations... while the Recreations do not, or at least not the same a super AI that controls the whole Human sphere's infrastructure as some sort of giant administrator has. Which also gives Aleph plausible deniability: "they did what they thought best in their situation", essentially a "get out of jail" card Aleph can play once.
     
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    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Flipswitch Sepsitorised by Intent

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    Ko Dali was welcome you guys should totes come
     
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    Yay, just look at Ko Dali. She loves her new job. Of course, I'm not sure she has any other thoughts besides target acquisition but hey, its a living.
     
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  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Honestly an alliance with Ariadna might make more sense, they were the one faction to stay neutral in the Uprising debacle, Yu Jing has supported their independence from recontact (unlike PanO), and Ariadnans have incentive to dislike the Japanese with them having seized Yu Jing assets on/near Dawn. The only issue is they've been buddy-buddy with O-12 as of Wotan, but let's be real, it's Ariadna, they were just playing at being spess cops to give them the excuse to kick Galactic ass.
     
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  17. St.Craft

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    Allience with ariadna not so fun like allience with Ca. Look at this we formed an allience with higth tech alien duper nation! And look at this we allied with dudes that dont even have msv... ( i feel like looser here ~~~) No offence to ariadna players i hope
     
  18. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    It's not the MSV that matters, it's the massive stockpile of Teseum they're sitting on. That can make a lot of power armor.
     
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  19. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Well, before that her life was to bring some Tiger soldiers on the enemy's deployment zone... XD

    And K1 weapons. Tots better than big, hard armor: K1 combi/shotgun toting AVA: TOTAL kuangshi...
    And the CA can "battle make" Kuangshi!!! XD
     
  20. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Neutral no, "get off my lawn" hostile towards Japanese, yes.
     
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