They would be significantly better if they were ready-bake lists with special conditions instead of micro-factions. I.e. I could pick one ISS CBL and one custom made normal list for a tournament and not have to inform my opponent before Deployment if I'm using a CBL.
A = 10, B = 8+1*, C = 9, D = 10 You are being a bit unreasonable on this topic, both in judging future lists on a sample of exactly 1 faction and in misrepresenting those lists as well. * That's Sforza, not a Warcor, and you'll very likely want to use Sforza, so that'd be a 9-order list.
Wait... the lists are going to be ISS based? How... with the... What? How do they manage to keep on coming in under my low expectations? ಠ_ಠ
In a list with more orders that'd be true. Unfortunately that's a list with no spare orders. Go second and cop 3 casualties? Well Saito's off the table and keeping his order to himself, that leaves your Jotum, Saito, and Nisse are link are going to take what's left. Sforza can't even jump into a combined order to try and get up the table for some efficiency so he could actually effectively spend his irregular order inside a good range band. And yeah, I think it's entirely fair to judge the future lists on a sample of terrible lists. When they're that bad you know whoever thought them up has absolutely no idea what they're doing. I frequently help brand new players build lists to play with and the fact that the pan-o CBLs are worse than most of those lists they bring to me says something about how clueless the guy who made them is.
I Think the only Imperial Agents available to be used by Invencible Army are the Hsien, because they are like Imperial hight commander. Cranes, Pheasants, Zhangings are more like military police.
They are answerable to the Emperor only, true, but the Army doesn't answer to the Emperor at all, they answer to the State. The closest thing I'd be able to compare to is if Chief Justice, the Honourable John Roberts, was put in command of the US Army because John Roberts is one of the highest ranking civil servants of the United States.
Also, the Imperial Service answering only to the Emperor is itself superseded at times, as we know that when assigned to military missions, the ISS comes under control of the StateEmpire Army high command. We see an example of how this works in the Red Veil missions, where a Hsien (the elite bodyguards and personal agents of the Emperor), arrives on Neon Lotus station and answers to a Zuyong lieutenant (essentially the lowest rank commissioned officer you could get and part of the basic line troops of the Invincible Army).
Well, as much as I would have loved for invincible army to have some closed battle lists released at this point, these being ISS may not be such a bad thing. It's just that it needs to be marketed correctly, and I don't understand why they aren't. A - to me - obvious angle here might be something like "fighting against the treason of the Japanese, the ISS counter-insurgency will have to transform, to adapt to the impossible position they are put in. Be ready for new links, new concepts. The ISS as you've never seen them before. Even after the campaign, this is the start of things to come." - And that might be enough to get the hype train going? With the new NA2 links out, even the ISS special links look a little bit limited, if creative linking was supposed to be an ISS hallmark - And it happens to explain why invincible army shouldn't come out pretty much at the same time.
I think they are shooting themselves in the foot by trying to make CBLs out of a sectorial that is already well developed and competitive. Given the limitation of CBL lists, the bar seem to be set impossibly high. There would need to be some incredibly compelling reasons for people to want to use CBL over just running ISS, otherwise the whole thing is just one giant wasted opportunity. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
It may be as basic as ISS links alongside Yan Huo firepower or that sort of thing, not so much competing with ISS for the Imperial Service players, but bringing ISS links into vanilla Yu Jing. A little bit lame, but certainly a possibility.
I just wish Closed Battle Lists didn't suck beyond words. And I wish that @Bostria miss-spoke when he said the Yu Jing CBLs were going to be for ISS. (but given the unreasonable amount of focus ISS gets compared to EVERYTHING else I think the latter is a forlorn hope)
Shaolin helping ISS, a list with Shaolin and a Hsien haris? Hsien-lead Celestial Guard link? Unprecedented Celestial Guard KSCD linked with Bao? Celestial Guard haris?
Well apparently Bao are trading a pheasant who discourages their excesses for a crane who is all about the excesses.
well since they're described as IS Counter-Insurgency forces and the only counter-insurgency unit we currently have is the Kanren... anything in the Kanren fluff about what they do? (important to remember that everything is fluff-centric and gameplay is secondary).
