I'd encourage the use of the "Ignore" function @Dude We are probably at that point in some cases. You could probably also engage more with the constructive posters instead of those who aren't adding anything to the conversation.
Except YJ isn’t “incompetent” in Uprising, rather that the kuge got everything to break their way, and luck above that. And where was the “incompetence” in Wotan, outside of players’ minds?
You know, I actually kind of get that, now. I'm actually sympathetic to the idea that YJ fans really dislike how their faction gets a turn in the barrel, so to speak. I didn't really follow the global leagues/campaigns, so I don't have a good concept of the extent to which this is happening. So to you guys this book is the last thing you want. I get it. I disagree with a lot of the specific criticisms, but I understand the frustration because it's the flip side of why I'm so excited by it (as a JSA player). My only reassurance is that this should be the low point. With the Uprising concluded and the Japanese "freed" (lol anything but), there's nowhere to go but up.
So, Infinity the Game is finished then? O-12 is supreme and the only faction that matters. When will this Mary Sue faction be released? I can’t wait for the butthurt from the PanO players who despair that being the hyper power is irrelevant because supreme power and from Ariadna players sad that they’re not the Mary Sue faction anymore.
Ummm, how does one put the moderator on ignore? Sounds like a bad idea. O-12 has always been a big faction in the fluff. Its the reason the Nomads and Araidna are recognized members.
I don't even buy that. Without the Japanese anime waifus as the faction's hostage, I'm expecting more of the same fist shaking "you'll pay for this captain planet" level blundering villainy and not much else from here on in.
In case it’s not obvious, I think @psychoticstorm is no longer fit to moderate these forums when he says that if you say the background doesn’t make sense it’s because you’re too stupid to understand Gutier’s art. News flash: the emperor has no clothes.
@Koni How about you get in here before @psychoticstorm & @A Mão Esquerda burn the game down from under you?
I hope that will be the case, but as someone who HAS been heavily involved with the Global Campaigns I'm not confident that it will be anytime soon. They really have been getting it from all angles (and I think this is where the CB teams obvious love sometimes backfires for YJ players). Yu Jing are very likely to be in for another hammering after the player losses they are inevitably going to suffer from the dual hit of being a Sectorial down AND literally having that same Sectorial turn into an enemy. I'm glad you see it now 'though. It's been feeling a bit like talking at a brick wall with some of the posters defending Uprising. They literally cite things which support the problems which many Yu Jing players seem to have with the narrative while in the same breath telling them that they are wrong.
That's because this discussion is about too many things. Our arguments are focused against all the claims that the story is somehow flawed (plot holes, unfair portrayals, whatever). We're not trying to argue against what you want for the faction (although there are certainly some reflexive responses). So I've been pressed from two sides, with my arguments against one being used by the other when it's not the same issue. Uprising is a damn good book. That's all.
I mean, @Dude , here's what the discussion is about in the words of the OP: There's been some background noise about the quality of the Uprising book, but that's been VERY uninformed (and had largely come from those who have NOT actually read the book). This conversation has been about Yu Jing being turned into a one-dimensional villain in the material players have easy access to. That even the most vocal defenders of the Uprising story can now see that is gratifying, but also concerning.
@Dude The problem is that trying to say that Yu Jing not being incompetent by allowing PanO to compromise their sovereignty is just wrong. And that means that the author either thinks that Yu Jing is blisteringly incompetent - and it'd be real shitty for the fans who play Yu Jing if Gutier thought that Yu Jing's purpose was to be the designated jobbers faction to make the groups that actually matter look good - or it just means that Gutier isn't competent enough to understand why that's wrong.
To you, maybe. I've been responding to a lot of arguments about the specific events of the Uprising story and trying to provide greater context to explain them. Anyway, I think have some kind of agreement here. So yay?
What concerns me the most is the possibility of Yujing being on the brink on a misery loop. We've lost players, we've lost profiles, we've lost a brief secessionist war... all launched by two consecutive dissasters on global campaigns that set CBs plans for JSA in motion. Campaigns whose settings didn't favour us, because "we are villains" (in flamestrike and free aliances against us happen) and because locations set up and secondary objectives of the seccond one backfired on us Now we'll be facing another campaign, with less players, with a less atractive faction, being the sore loosers, beeing the punching bag, the ones that all the factions want to bit... It seems a pretty harsh scenario and another certain defeat if the set up doesn't favour us. If things keep going this way ¿what will be of Yujing? I can endure the separatism because secessionism was hiding under the table, but the rest of the CB choices around it are so damn punitive for Yujing that it is sickening. And this Fluff's slam is the drop that fills the glass. Why are we the only ones being sanctioned by O-12? specially when Tatenokai, kempeitai and kuge were clearly performing terrorism, or when pano pretty much does a declaration of war performing a blockade in the middle of a ceasefire between the two hyperpowers to interfere with Yujing internal struggles?
