Never had any problem when i did it. Remember, as long as you are at ease with being questioned for the same doubt, feel free to ask.
Me: "Hey mate, would you mind checking if that model is in the DZ? It looks a little far forward." Opponent: *thump* Me: "Ow.... my nose!" What world do you live in where that question isn't appropriate?
You're quite right, and I've seen this 'being at ease' thing of which you speak being done by others - I very much admire it! (My favourite-ever example was in a game of WH40K at a club I was visiting (War Inc. in New Zealand) where the guy I was playing was cheating his measurement so egregiously his teenage son - who was standing by the table, kept rolling his eyes at me in embarrassment. I finally exclaimed something typical of my politic and over-ommitment to courtesy like "Jesus Christ! Does he always cheat this badly in his games with you too, son?" which exclamation and sniggering from the boy drew the attention of our host. Chris was rather smarter than me, and as you say, nicely at ease, doing a thing that nearly a decade later I still admire as almost perfect game management. He walked over, took one look at the table, and said "What turn is this, turn 3; are these models WYSIWYG, yes? Well, there's no way these units could've got this far in just three turns, is there? Look, this is how to measure movement for your models ... " and, demonstrating perfect, courteous movement and measuring, said "I'd like you both to make sure you measure your movement like that, please." Then walked away. No argument. Nothing harsh or abrupt. Chris just told us how to play courteously in his club, and by telling us both, didn't embarrass the perpetrator at all. And then the kid said quietly, but in a voice that was somehow heard perfectly by every person in the room "Yeah, Dad".
Every meta and every tournament I've ever played in (across three continents and multiple countries) has players measuring and marking the edge of their DZ before they place models. It completely bypasses any problems with players deploying troopers outside their DZ.
Christ, I do envy you guys with your normal clubs full of normal people wanting to play a normal game together. The last time I asked anyone if their measuring was rules-legal, you could hear the screeching in Seoul. Hence, you know, I'm more cautious these days
I mean, the common link for the response you get (be it in a game or here on the forums) seems to be you, more so than the question being asked...
I find DBAD is the easy solution to being able to ask these questions. You don't 'ask anyone if their measuring was rules-legal' you say 'Mate, that looked a little far. Would you mind remeasuring it?' and then you expect the same. What I'm saying is to actually be polite about it, assume they just made a mistake in their rush to complete their turn and you're just helping them out. Don't be faux-polite: where you implicitly assume everyone is trying to scam you and protect against it. Because yeah, that doesn't conform with the first principal: DBAD.
If a player has problems across multiple meta's, including ones where they have been banned from game stores for their behaviour, its fair to conclude that the problem, is likely not the meta's in question
Example of the last game taken, not so relevant to measurement, but it's the attitude... I placed an ARO HRL blast on a moving model, there where a nearby one not activated. From my PoV they were both under the template. I explained my view, my opponent simply took the template and placed himself in the best (FOR ME) way. That's how it should ALWAYS be done. BTW, the 2nd model was actually out of the blast, damn!
Nice example, and I agree that's how it should always be done. The approach to managing tabletop games should probably be like the age-old problem of cutting a cake for kids who all want the biggest slice. The age-old solution to the problem has always been to ask who wants to cut the cake, and explain that that person will also be the person to pick their own slice last...
I feel like you're still missing the point, what everyone is saying is you don't need a tricksy system whereby a person is forced into fair play by some specific set of rules which are extaneous to Infinity itself. If you approach the game with a healthy positive attitude you can just let one another play, and bring it up in a friendly manner when you think something has gone wrong. Nobody needs to get aggressive (or in the case of your comment to the 40k player's son, passive-aggressive) if you just have reasonable healthy attitudes.
Ahem, I will make the request for this to stop coming up again and again, next time it may not be a request though.
I'm crusty and out of the loop - can we measure DZ before walking on our AD troops and/or deploying ninjas or impersonators?
Apparently: @daboarder can provide you with the reference for AD. And yeah, you can for the others: a combination of measuring table halfs + DZs gives you the ability to determine where you are Impersonating / Infiltrating to.
Yes, you can measure table half and enemy deployment zone for the purposes of deploying infiltrators and impersonators, I guess since you already know these two AD 2 has all the information it needs from this.
you must know for AD. There is no way to deploy AD outside of the designated areas and no rules governing deploying them illegally. Also do the ground work yourself and use google to get the answer because its been done before
I meant AD1 this you must know from deployment, you get the enemy deployment zone info for AD2 too from deployment and you measure again when you deploy AD troops.
