So it seems that Dire Foes were updated....

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  1. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Well you would probably be able to cut a bulkhead door with a DA sword, and be greeted by a nice welcoming fire, D charges would not be a bad idea.
     
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  2. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    SMG would be great. Playstyle wise it would provide an inexpensive link option that isn't just another magiater, fully able to utilize and benefit from 360 suppressive fire and E/M Grenades. Brawlers show us that CB is experimenting with reducing the cost of Assault Hackers by giving them discount weapons, so an SMG Assault Hacker Santiago would be a nice way to cheapen the cost and help incentivize Assault Devices again.
     
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  3. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Engineer too...

    But that would be nice.

    And we all know where that sentence goes.

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    Plus, I don't actually really WANT the first HI Engineer to be a PanO unit.

    I'll happily take that update AFTER Yu Jing get an HI Engineer and Doctor in Invincible Army.
     
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  4. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Rather than mess with the profiles, Santiagos need a mixed Order Sergent link like in OUTRAGE to diversify competitive MO lists. Mixed links is fair compensation when the 360 visor becomes bloat once you get sixth sense.
     
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  5. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Awwww I always said a Montesa engineer would be great.
     
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  6. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Shame cb doesnt think so
     
  7. prophet of doom

    prophet of doom Well-Known Member

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    It seems like the lack of engineers is a built in disadvantage of the hyperpowers.
     
  8. yojamesbo

    yojamesbo purchaser of car seats

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    Them TAGs don't need no fixin'!!!!
     
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  9. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Its one of the +1bs costs....
    With the wip-1
    The lack of smoke
    The lack of warbands
    Low tier hackers
    Ect
     
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  10. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Don't get me wrong, I'd take any Knight Engineer.

    But why the Montesa?

    Surely you agree that the Santiago makes the most sense first?

    For no reason that has anything to do with the setting and background.

    Hell, in the RPG characters from PanOceania and Yu Jing are ALWAYS at least ok at fixing electronic gizmos.

    It's a long and sad list, all for a minor attribute bump...

    Which we ALSO pay a lot of points for.
     
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  11. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Because they ride on APCs, they need engineers to clear roads and keep the machines going.
     
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  12. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Hmmn...

    I do see your point

    But still say Santiago first!
     
  13. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    There are so many ways to go about it that it hurts. Ways that highlight PanO strengths, make them different from other hi-tech factions, and keep them balanced at the same time.
     
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  14. Doa

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    MO need a big retooling
    Review skill, review equipment, review cost and review mechanics
    I don't think that mized link will solve all the problems
    Maybe changing some stuff heavily
    For example male Montesa knight a MI with mv4-4 cc17 bs14 ph13 arm3 bts3 w2 wip12 mechanized deployment, boarding shotgun, pistola knife
    Cost 30pt
     
  15. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Teutons should get NWI.
     
  16. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    That they do; mixed links largely solve problems with flexibility; Second problem is MO's internal balance; multiple units in the same cost brackets competing for the same role. And this is where retooling comes in.

    Nope :P
     
  17. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    It would help if Santiagos weren't stuck with the sole Specialist option that is simply a worse version of Doctor, with a worse gun, competing for the same Classifieds.
    ....unless someone forgets Hospitalers also have DeFeresen and burdens Santiagos with an AHD instead in a hillarious fumble.
    Jokes aside an AHD + B2 E/M Grenades is no joke to take out other HI and TAGs, think I'd even take a solo Santiago AHD (with something else than a Combi). That said Santiagos are in a firm 2nd place and far from bad. Just unattractive, ecplipsed by the Hospitaler's allmighty shaow.

    I'm not saying KHD but I'm saying KHD. Santiagos, Teutons, Montesa, Fatherknights or KothS. Whoever gets the option instantly sees play. A much more ridiculous niche to leave open than Smoke.
    Questionable "variety" of Lts, no Haris (which results in massive overlap in between similar troops without a way to distinguish themselves, same problem as Vanilla), no Specialist AD, AVA6 for Regular Orders at 10 points or less, no CoC, no Smoke, no KHD. MO might be a bit on the overburdened side of restrictions.

    Let's not forget that is in extention to PanO's usual package. No (regular) Smoke (+MSV), no classic Warband toolboxes and remarkably few toolboxes in general, no spammable Irregular chaff, weak Hacking, below average WIP (mostly for elite troops), lowest Skill and Equipment selection per trooper, AVA1 basic Engineer,... the list goes on for quite a while.
    We're a massive Faction with 3 (soon to be 4) Sectorials and a bunch of Vanilla only troops. Designspace is getting tight even if we're leaving the subpar options out to dry. Might wanna take a second look at those restrictions our other Sectorials already don't share.


    Sure we won Interplanetario with MO, but that was with Hospitaler+Magister Link in both lists. Put some toys on the stuff that gets left at home for the sake of internal competition.
    Apparently Vanilla PanO is perceived as weak? I would not agree on that, but I have to admit the experience required to get Vanilla to work always struck me as rather steep (too many weak choices that dillute the possibility to figure to discover the synergy only Vanilla can offer). Reducing that seems good, especially for new players.
     
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  18. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I'd love to see an FO Montesa profile, and Engineer Santiagos. Teutons... personally I like the idea of them just being rage monsters with explosive weaponry who don't really do the specialist game.
     
  19. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    The thing I want most for Montessas is a model of the LGL profile.
     
  20. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    It's pointless to say it regardless. Knights are (at least in their own minds) the honourable good guys. It would be a blatant contradiction of the background to have any Knight with a Killer Hacking Device. It's no coincidence that PanOceania's access to KHDs is via the Hexahedron.
     
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