Spiral Corps Returning to Infinity Army!

No, it was information from Gencon, but during Krug they finally said that the Spiral was definitely dead and would not be returning with the other OOP sectorials.

 

I am afraid this seems to be the case, Spiral is no more, hunted down to extinction over almost blowing up one of the most important planets of the Human Sphere.

 

Wait, so Spiral Corp is confirmed axed and won't appear in N5? Well there goes my second army, guess I'm stuck playing Yu Jing. That really sucks, to say the least in the politest manner I can. My friend picked JSA and I Spiral Corp before all of this, and mine gets removed while his becomes a full fledged faction, but he still doesn't play because of how sour he is about CHA for Ariadna not being in N5 who was his first army.

 

You can use almost all the Spiral models that are Tohaa in the Tohaa factiion (so no brawlers, for example). Not the same, I know, but it's the best we can get... at least unless they relaunch Tohaa

 

At least your friend is getting CHA back, so maybe he'll return to playing. I do understand the feeling though as I lost FRRM and initially it seemed USARF too before they announced they will get a rework.

 

Started playing in N3, and at this point Tohaa feels like nuclear fusion, it's always 10 years away. I would love to play it especially since they are gutting Spiral Corp, but as for the return of Tohaa, I'll only believe it when I finally see it.

 

I feel that frustration. Whether lore-appropriate, or not, we still have physical models that were purchased with certain reasonable expectations of usability. Having that usability removed or significantly degraded is something that CB should avoid or at least handle with the utmost care.

 

While I do understand, and I have myself a lot of models that have been discontinued for lore reasons, when a faction that is a small PMC get caught red handed in the lore to attempt to blow up a planet, there is no going back.

We may see the shadow organisation elements form up to a sub faction, of Tohaa maybe? or we may see them simply be integrated to Tohaa, or something else, but Spiral corps we will most probably not see back as it makes no sense.

And while you may not care about the lore at all, others do.

 

If Spiral Corp ended up as a shadowy sectorial for Tohaa to do their dirty work that'd be cool. I hope they do *something* with Tohaa, as right now as I understand it from a lore perspective they've been largely removed from focus & access giving little lore reason to be active. Which would be odd as IIRC Tohaa successfully pivoted CA into the Human Sphere to save themselves, and now that CA & Humans are on a tentative chill state instead of full blown war, I imagine that Tohaa would prefer keeping the two at odds so they don't get too chummy with each other.

 

I mean, yes it does.
Achilles defected to CA, his profiles are in CA and not SP anymore.
JSA broke away from Yu Jing, they are a separate army list now.
Stigmatons are built by Bakunin, so they are less SWC in Bakunin (and have more availability) than in Nomads.

People may not always like how the lore evolves, but it absolutely can change the rules. Or if you want you can say the lore justifies rules changes/support.

 

Spot on.

I mean, in my eyes it is totally within the realm of possibility for Tohaa to have "a shadowy sectorial".
It is also possible for it to use a lot of units and profiles equivalent to what the Spiral Corps once used.

What I do not perceive as being within the realm of possiblity is for that group to be named Spiral Corps.
Simply the same way as you're not going to see IRL someone calling their "shadowy organization" after a terrorist organization that was recently squashed (put your favorite bad guys from recent history there, I'm not going to try forum rules by invoking contemporary politics or 20th century history). For it would be seen as reviving that group that was recently squashed / it being squashed not hard enough.

Once sufficiently long time has passed - IRL, often a couple centuries - you can try and change the narrative on a said group. Try to present them as misunderstood fighters for freedom, just cause and happiness for all. There will be folks who'll buy that narrative, and others will be doubtful or disinterrested.

But as long as there are people around remembering from their own experience what did said group do - nah, I see it as highly unlikely.
And we aren't three generations down the line from the events of the fall of Concilium in the Infinity timeline - we are a few years after it.

So, that's it. A Tohaa shadowy sectorial named, let's say, Vortex Corps is within the realm of possiblity. Any group calling itself Spiral Corps is going to rub too many people in the Sphere the wrong way for those people to allow said group to go on.

 

So long as I keep the Heliots. My friend that plays Ariadna & Haqq had been starting to comment, "Is this my punishment for running so many Daylami?" while I was learning Spiral Corp. Those camo panzerfausts were many a nightmare for my heavy armor Yu Jing, but I did get one cool moment in an earlier N edition where my Knauf B3 sniper shot & killed three Daylami in a single order.

But back to my 2nd faction, Spiral Corp had a unique flavor, if it is returned in a manner, I hope it doesn't boil down to pure Tohaa units.

 

While it is impossible to fully recreate a Spiral list, I do hope the update gave enough options to the players to use their models..