So a 2 group list with 13 figures, with 2 hidden dep figures and a parachutist TAG with TAC AWA is inmune to stripping orders, but a 10 guys list with a Tac Awa LT and no invisible people is not... It doesnt seems fair. Im sticking with RAW, and i will accept RAI only if one of the conditions for being inmune to order removal is being a single group list. If your order count is 10 (+ hidden troops), but you have 2 combat groups, your order pool can be reduced Has CB spoken to you and told you how the rule works? Because i know warcors and satellite organizers that are sticking RAW
That's a good addition to the rule. You're correct in that it should only apply to a requirement of one CG rather than just 10 Orders. They read RAW because the community is so brain poisoned by RAW because RAW is the popular term within tabletop games because they think they know about the law and such because they do that. It's pure Dunning Kruger.
The rules explicitly state how you deal with Private and Public Information and Order Pools in the main rules. If taking the RAW interpretation then the private information becomes public information, since while you have no knowledge of their profiles you'll be informed of their presence. The RAW interpretation distinctly breaks another rule while that rule under the RAI interpretation is intact as the only thing that's ignored is weird wording. If an interpretation breaks the explicit purpose and intent of another rule without carving out an exception, which is what the small sections after a rule or specific law are intended to do, then the interpretation is incorrect. I do agree with Fari's idea though that the ten-Order limit for Order protection needs to be imposed together with a one CG requirement, which is how tournament organisers should play it.
If you want we can continue the discussion privately, since we are missing the point for a while and not talking about the topic.
RAW is not the end it all, but it's the only way to keep an international community in the same footing, which is needed when you have a competitive scene that gets together from several continents in the Interplanetario. As I mentioned before, the simplest way to implement the Limited Insertion in the rules was to state 1 CG, no TacAware... yet CB did not wrote that, for whatever reason (so my RAI is that they cared not about this mess at the time). Please do notice, btw, that the "list" and not "order pool" may have been used because Irregular Orders and Tac Aware Orders are not part of the Order pool, yet there is no mention to "visible orders" for example. The problem here is that you assume it is forcing the reveal of the existence of such troops. If I see a public list with a single group and no tac-aware, I don't care there are five or one slots unused, I care about how many orders you do have, which means 1-2 Lt Orders, and no more than 10 Tac+Regular+Irregular. If I see 10 orders total (plus Lt) yet there are some free slots in the list, we are in the murky position, but if not, we aren't. So, try not to make a list that is in that problematic territory (meaning, play 1 comabt group and use no TacAware troops). Now, I'm not trying to change the conversation, but there are players who upon seeing a courtesy list inmediately go make it in the Army app to count points. I don't (since I was so used to the costs, guesstimating was easy enough), but it's a (neither funny nor, for me, sportive) tactic to know about hidden troops and DA troops without looking at orders.
That's incorrect and a strawman. I never assume it's forcing me to reveal those profiles. I KNOW it's forcing me to reveal the presence of apparently absent troopers, which makes the private information public. What's your hangup with TA? If playing CA you can easily make a list with only nine models and TA. I feel like every army can make something similar to this. Seeing five missing slots in the courtesy list makes no difference if you can see markers on the table and ask what CG they belong to as that's public information. That they're a marker means that the opponent has already revealed their presence and they're now public rather than private information, limited to what you can see, which is the marker and what's under the marker is explicitly private information.
It's the easiest way to solve the issue. No TacAware and Single Group means no reveal of Private Info, and no exceeding the 10+Lt orders (you can still get to 11 regular orders with Strategos Lts, and to 12 effective orders with NCOs paired with Lt+1, however that seems entirely contained, unlike the potential for 15+ orders in a single group thanks to TacAware spam.
The formula is Regular+ Irregular + Tactical Awareness. TA already counts to the limit of immunity to that use of Command Tokens.
