September>December 2024: Nuclear winter has struck, leaving room for the N5

Discussion in 'News' started by Wizzy, Aug 12, 2024.

  1. SpectralOwl

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    I play NCA, I have hordes of good Veterans in Bolts, and I still don't like how much this skill is showing up. If there's any consolation, it's that the skill has thus far appeared only on expensive, Hackable Heavy Infantry (or the ISS TAG), but one of those is the goddamned Kriza in Nomads. The game's balance appears to be being set very much in favour of the active player again, and after years of castle fireteams I can't really disagree with the direction, but Full Auto 2 sucked in N3 and will suck now.

    Given that now basically every faction save possibly Ariadna has a hammer that can reliably crack the hardest AROs in the game with ease, I'm once again pinning my hopes on a better-designed soft control and Hacking system. If everyone's jockeying for position with their hammer units while the Skirmishers and light Infantry fight to clear the midfield obstacles for a decisive advance, it'll be a blast. But if any faction gets left without an option to play for time without sacrificing a Trooper for every step, it's going to be a bad time.
     
  2. bladerunner_35

    bladerunner_35 Well-Known Member

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    In N4 we pretty much had MSV+Mim as the elite attack unit package.

    Now CB is adding a few more papers and scissors with BS-x + Warhorse and the new Albedo and Marksmanship. They are also seemingly adding more tools to move around hard AROs all together with Disco Baller.

    While some armies might lack all the options this is not new and a feature, not bug. It's good design how in N5 more than N4 every elite unit will have some sort of counter.
     
  3. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    We still have Knights of Justice. Crux Father Knights are probably the elite of the elite.

    Adding Disco Ballers by Default to Sogarats gives them some nice utility. I agree with @bladerunner_35 that adding more bonuses and counters will keep things from getting stale. I am liking how MSV and Marksmanship can now be penalized and allow counter play.
     
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  4. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn’t mind it so much if it was a little more even. It’s somewhat even with the BSA-3. Now every faction has about 1 troop with it, or will. But there’s not nearly as many with Warhorse. Other than Combined (Morat), factions have about two troops with it, but some are AVA1 troops. YJ has two characters, Haqq has Druze, Govad, Zheyaden, Al Faseed. 012 will have the Gamma who is AVA2, expensive and Vanilla only. PanO has Bolts. It's a fun thing for those that have the counter. Not so much for that can’t.
     
  5. burlesford

    burlesford Sheet guy

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    You don't know which models will have Warhorse in N5. Just as we are seeing a lot more with BS Attack (-3) right now, we'll probably see a lot more Warhorse troops as well.
     
  6. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    A new episode in the "What is happening in CB?"

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  7. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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  8. Wizzy

    Wizzy Well-Known Member

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    In general, an order is cancelled when there's no stock with two orders made simultaneously, when there's a problem with the place to be delivered (example too wars and not assurance for this territory), or when the customer is a real jerk.
     
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  9. Melkhior

    Melkhior Doing filthy things for EI

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    Screenshot_20241210_162120_Facebook.jpg New info about Arantes.
     
  10. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    so, you make your artists make a pinup for the box, make the masters, cast a figure, send to the painter, get it back, start the production, you are ready to sell... and NO ONE in the whole chain realized that the figure was wrong? You could change the gender of a mini (Kit Kokram) or fuck up with the scale (Seraph), but a 2 figures set being sold as a single figure kit... that's new
     
  11. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I hope so. O12 got the Gamma but he's AVA2 and vanilla only. I played my Starmada vs. TB on the weekend and I had a hell of a time vs. the Prime.
     
  12. Vocenoctum

    Vocenoctum Well-Known Member

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    I just ordered some basic stuff (N5 book with free Essentials, Warcrow book and stuff) for black friday and got my order Sunday 8th) in USA. So overall pretty quick.
     
  13. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe the profile just changed and they want the mini to match better. As usual, you don't know. Shhhh.
     
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  14. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    The Father Knights Crux Team is a team that was lost in a quantum anomaly in the Niemandszone on Paradiso about the time of the fall of Streslau and only re-emerged recently. They’re… ‘different’ now.
     
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  15. Gunmage

    Gunmage General Contact Unit

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    And that is different from Mimetism... how, exactly? Prior to N4 not everyone had access to MSVs. This field got heavily leveled out, but Ariadna, for example, still doesn't have MSV2 and can't counter Mimetism(-6) completely. And even those factions who do have wide MSV access won't have it on the majority of units in the list. But the presence of Mimetism in game doesn't seem to make non-MSV models unviable, though?
     
  16. SpectralOwl

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    1.) BS Attack (-x) doesn't just affect BS Attacks. Models outmatched by enemies with high modifiers have always had the option to Dodge on their PH in an attempt to improve their positioning. PH is already low across the board, most lighter troops are looking for a 7 or 8 on a Dodge against all these very lethal high-burst weapons, making it feel less like the reactive player has any choice- one of Infinity's greatest strengths.
    2.) Ariadna may not have MSV2, but what they do have are wide Smoke access, strong and cheap Direct Templates enabling them to trade up, hard-hitting melee where the templates won't do the trick, and the game's easiest access to Camoflage. Also Spetznaz. They're going to care less about BS Attack (-x) proliferating than anyone else, because they've had tools to play around stronger BS Attacks since N2. Certain parts of PanO and Yu Jing are likely the worry here, since some of those Sectorials were built for an N4 environment where reactive Fireteams were much stronger and their factions aren't specialised in subtle midfield soft control play at all. Invincible Army, Military Orders, ISS and SWF are my big worries.
    3.) It did, in fact, really suck playing into high-Mimetism forces for those Ariadna Sectorials with poor access to their counters. I was not at all keen on bringing Mirage 5 to every single game back when I played the Space French because Duroc is the only access to half the tools in MRRF. My heart goes out to the few narrative players left in Yu Jing who'll have to explain Gao in their lists every second game in their stories.

    tl;dr; Challenges are fun if you can overcome them in varied and enjoyable ways, and total drags if CB gives you one 60pt Character to handle half the competitive meta.
     
  17. Rabble

    Rabble Well-Known Member

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    4th Option - And the real Answer - Warcrow is selling much more than expected and they have caused an stock break making several newly released Warcrow products Out of Stock. So the Siocast Machines are focusing their production on Warcrow products until they can meet the market demands.

    But even if this is the real answer of the Sandtrap backpack mistery, it is going to be meet with scepticism by the usual suspects.
     
  18. Bignoob

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    I hope for them it’s the case!

    I didn’t plunge yet as I’m first waiting for other factions to be released (and for the army app too), but seeing that it’s a successful release definitely is a promising element for the future of the game and my willingness to hop onboard at a later stage.

    By the way, any info on release date of the N5 army app?
     
  19. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    None that I've heard about - same as for the rules.

    "In December", and - from what @Wizzy wrote (based on his "dark net" sources, which is - with all due respect! - not exactly bulletproof data) - "within a week" from the last Thursday, or something like that. Which would make it - purely theoretically - today or tomorrow.

    What I mean - lack of proper, clear communication from CB rubs me the wrong way already. I know they were never good at that, that their forte is elsewhere, and that I'm also tired and kinda emotional today.

    Still.
    It will be here when it will be here...
    ..but at this moment, it ain't looking good, my good men at CB.​
     
  20. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    I'm always surprised how bad small-ish companies like CB are at communicating. I just don't get it.
    It should be easy, it costs nothing but a bit of time and it's something the customers are craving for. And because they are small-ish, they are rather free to speak and can communicate to their customers in a "relaxed" fashion, not-so-formal. "Hey guys, so about N5, we are experiencing this and this, it will take us more time to fix this and this, can't give a deadline but could be this week, blablabla". How complicated is that? But for some reason, they (CB and a lot of other similar companies) decide to go the GW way. I guess there is a good reason but I can't put my finger on it.
     
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