September>December 2024: Nuclear winter has struck, leaving room for the N5

Discussion in 'News' started by Wizzy, Aug 12, 2024.

  1. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    Just realized the Go-Pod was in everything but Corregidor :(
     
  2. Modock

    Modock Well-Known Member

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    Now this is strong AF for the points!


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  3. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    The HRL profile is super agressively costed indeed, but the AP HMG one not so much. I wonder why there is such a big difference between the 2.
     
  4. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    What? Skirmisher? I feel that something is missing, maybe is an early profile still wip, it's supposed to see the parachutist profile this week, not the Shizoku
     
  5. Crusader

    Crusader HI connoisseur

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    ARM5 BTS6 and still Silhouette2, nice! It's like the Hektari but with more melee.

    As for the points B4 DAM15 ARM/2 is scarier than the B3 DAM14 ARM, template or no template. For 43pts it is still an auto take: the AP HMG Shang-Ji is 49pts without any melee potential, mimetism and with smallet DTW template (on the plus side Shang have tinbot and tac aware).
     
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  6. Mcgreag

    Mcgreag Well-Known Member

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    The template removes the cover save so the target need ARM 6 or higher before the HMG is better if the target is in cover.
     
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  7. Crusader

    Crusader HI connoisseur

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    Well that's true, but the Burst advantage is quite significant. Is it 9pts significant (chainrifle is 1pt)? Perhaps not, but I still think worth it.
     
  8. Child9

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    I'm not so sure, the HRL is 10 points less and has an Assault Pistol, very well suited if it wants to get close to use this nice Berserk/MA3. Seems like a very coherent package, deadly at all ranges.
     
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  9. superfurrymaniac

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    Is this the first frenzy we've seen that doesn't also have no cover? To be fair I've not kept a track well but I thought I noticed they were generally both together
     
  10. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Great haris material. Burst "4" HRL is menacing
     
  11. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think it is.
    Could be a mistake, as I think I remember these two were said to be directly linked.
     
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  12. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    Yes. Hopefully they release soon what Frenzy does in N5.

    Edit: With the Shizoku, Shindenbutai has great long range anti-armor and fire support.
     
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  13. Space Ranger

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    Before it was in Hatamoto. But the No Cover was there due to the Nanoscreen. I think No Cover doesn't kick in for him until he becomes impetuous. So the frenzy cheat might still be here. Unless being in a fire team does NOT negate the negative effects of Impetuous. I hope that's the case. I hate the Frenzy cheat.
     
  14. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    My N5 dream:
    Triggering Frenzy gives the model Impetuous and Limited Cover. Fireteams only supress/disallow Impetuous.
     
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  15. UpirLihi

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    This should be a HI, not skirmisher and looks like a good, suitably menacing profile. Aggressively costed, but most stuff in N5 seems aggressively costed, so it is fine.
     
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  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    That depends, it it's ammo or a "notes" effect. For example, Riotstoppers are listed as having PARA ammo in N4, and thus get ignored, but a weapon that used Normal ammo but applied a "roll PH-6 each order/ARO to be able to declare anything else" would bypass the Inmunities.

    Plasma bypasses this by forcing 1 ARM and 1 BTS roll per impact, without depending on the ammunition.

    Btw, regarding the cost going down, I think it's happening in most units we have seen updated to the N5 version, if not all of the HI straight away (Aelis Keesan is harder to compare since her loadout has changed).

    Light Rocket Launchers are somewhat iffy with SWC, Thorakitai and Thrasimedes can carry those at 0 SWC cost, for example.

    The Go-Pod is quite interesting, because its BS5, since there are several other syncro units (like Devabots) that have no weapon whatsoever requiring a BS check, but are comparatively more expensive when looking at the stats and skills.

    For coherence I'd love to see their values (and costs) normalized, unless in N5 they are able to loot panoplies or the like for extra weapons, that is.

    I think it likely the discounts come mainly from shotguns and second wounds, personally.


    I've consistently used a Bronze HMG + Nyoka HRL + Sniper Epsilon to great ARO effect in Starmada, but that means my core has to be 2-3 kappas with 2 raveneye and 0-1bluecoat

    If those same measures are retroactively applied to non-N5 native profiles, I would agree. Otherwise... -.-U
     
  17. Space Ranger

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    Still not much info on Fireteams. The video says the Shizoku don’t provide purity for Fireteams, but that seems only if mixed with the others. A duo of 2 of them I would assume is “pure”. I can totally see doing a Duo of them.

     
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  18. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    This video was programed correctly. The spanish one was published at 12 AM
     
  19. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    Because of the SWC costs, we will probably see a Haris with two Jizamurai and a Shizoku. Two Shizoku is putting a lot of your eggs in a single basket (based on how Azra'il works).
     
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  20. bladerunner_35

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    Are the cc-skills on a long range gunfighter a JSA thing?
     
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