Varuna speculation

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Wombat85, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Well, to be fair Chain Rifles are manufactured by non-PanOceanian corporations.

    But it is an ongoing frustration that the Feuerbach, a weapon which only PanOceania produces, appears on a grand total of one of our units.

    Of course, the force which uses them the most, ALEPH, is entirely armed by the PanOceanian military complex. So it makes some sense that they have them at least.

    But NOT that PanOceania has so few.
     
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  2. daboarder

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    lol pessimism makes me think "Dont expect them to be mixed into other links if we get em"
     
  3. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    I don't think mixed links are a necessity, as long as units are given enough interesting tools on their own.

    If we do get mixed links though... Please bring us a REM. I'd love a Pathfinder that can join a PanO infantry link. Even something that could Haris with Clippers would be interesting, if CB doesn't want the shooty faction to get the 5-man Missile Clipper link.

    Father Knights are an interesting idea. Besides the Bulleteer, we haven't seen any indicator of a Spitfire platform for Varuna. I'd guess that the Echo Bravo or possible AD unit might fulfill this... Possibly something having to do with ORCs (new profile? Character with Spitfire?) but the Father Knight would be an interesting playable choice too. I'm not sure it makes any kind of thematic sense, but it would be a great unit alongside Fusilier links and Crocs.
     
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  4. Skoll

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    I dont recall if its mi, but one of the 2 ryuken -9 profiles certainly seems to set the bar for cqb mid field deployers.

    Hell I'd take it with mimetism and some shotguns
     
  5. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    The Ryuken-9 SMG profile is the new gold standard of what a non-Camo CQB piece could and should be.
     
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  6. ThananRollice

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    I just realized that Ryuken-9 is such a fitting name, because with ODD (w/SMG) and cover, it'll be at a -9 to hit haha

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  7. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    To be fair, that unit is going to be in Suppression Fire A LOT to bring that to -12.
     
  8. stevenart74

    stevenart74 Well-Known Member

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    When I suggested some kind of "Navy Seals Lhost" body I was not hinting at something taken from extant A.L.E.P.H. lines, but some "Byproduct" crated especially for Pan-Oceania. . .

    After all in the R.P.G. it is said that Artificial "Full-Conversion" Cyborg Bodies are produced in various iterations and that "Totally Amphibious Bodies" are on par with "Perfect Recreations" (such as almost indistinguible from Organic Humans) and "Heavy Duty Frames" (designed for Industrial Purposes, but often re-tooled for Combat as a sort of "Cheap Achilles Wannabe"). . .

    Even if the idea was to have an A.L.E.P.H. Recreation for almost every Faction (with the "Liberated" William Wallace for the primitive "Ateks" of Ariadna) there is the fact that being Pan-Oceania almost "Umbilically" linked with the Artificial Intelligence of the Human Sphere, maybe some kind of special operative would be very useful. . .

    And not only for Anti-Libertos Operations on Varuna, as many of the Pan-Oceanian Planets have enormous bodies of water and very important Metropolitan Centers in Seaside Coastlines. . .

    I'm thinking for an example at the various, enormous "Tourist Beaches" of Acontecimento, that seems a direct porting in Infinity of Ipanema of Brazil, and the waterfronts of Miami and Los Angeles in the U.S.A. and that in real world had a lot of related "Police Enforcing Issues" (such as when the most exclusive beaches of Brazil had been targeted by roving gangs descending from Hillside "Favela Blocks" then the infamous "B.O.P.E." Death Squads of the Military Police of Rio started joint training with the Brazilian Navy Incursors !!). . .

    An acquaintance from Colombia (ex "Policia Militar" and now an Armed Private Vigilante here in Italy) said to Me that there are some posh, exclusive seaside resorts in the South America where there various kind of "Guard Enforcers" (Private Cops or State-Sponsored alike) that are manning "Technicals" Vans (off-road capables like GMC Topkicks) with L.M.G. pintle-mounted, capable of quick response on the sandy dunes AND River Patrol Boats similarly armed because there is ALWAYS the risk some enterprising "Barrio Gang" decide to "Go Pirate" and assault a beach-party and try to take from bystanders any cash money, jewelry and even ransom hostages. . .!!

    I'm thinking about what some kind of very despicable criminally linked "Merc Army" of Infinity could do in a similar environment (decisively the Yuan-Yuans, while Druzes would mobilize for a very, Very, VERY valuable target, such as a Pan-O Corp Board Member !!) and then a "Hollywood Action Movie" situation become very believable for a Varuna Counter-Terrorism Unit. . .

    Just imagine the "Bad Boys 2" Movie set in Varuna and You have the gist of what I'm thinking (after all Navy Seals has been used in the past not ONLY against purely Military Targets, but even very dangerous Criminal Cartels). . .
     
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  9. Toalpaz

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    To be fair, the Feuerbach is one of the worst SWC sinks. It is basically an ARO piece that I would only take in antenna field (where it actually over-performs).

    I know it's probably been mentioned. But I hope Varuna includes Helot warbands, that would be truly interesting. Or maybe they introduce another anti-terrorism task force unit that is equip to deal with smoke/chain rifles.
     
  10. AdmiralJCJF

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    'eh, I don't think the Feuerbach is inherently bad as a profile.

    And it's rare enough that we can't really draw solid overarching conclusions on its SWC cost in particular.

    But it'd certainly be nice to see more than one in PanOceanian use.
     
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  11. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Not really. In link, or simply on a good unit, it's a very useful weapon in Active Turn as well.
     
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    Not gutting the negative mod out of 80cm is GOOD, we all agree, but looking at the auto-cannon....
    If we get it in a linkable unit and you want active turn long range..... maybe
    But if ARO is the name of the game i stay with the ML
     
  13. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    I’d love to see the Father Knight ML profile replaced with a Feuerbach profile. Maybe a Varuna ORC profile with Feuerbach/Assault Pistol. Getting it in a link would be excellent.

    I think the rangebands and ammo types make it a useful weapon, I’ve definitely had fun with my Uhlan.
     
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  14. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    Yeah, Fuerbach linkability is the big deciding factor.

    I'm not even crazy about it as an ARO piece, since it has to go toe-to-toe with HMGs if it wants the +3. But if you can obliterate with it on a linked active turn Burst 3 platform, then switch to an ARO role once the lanes are clear, that's awesome.

    This is one loadout which would put ORCs back in the running as a solid choice. Now how about some grenades for them, for that big burly PH of theirs...

    @Toalpaz Definitely, the role of Helots is a big question is how interesting/new Varuna is going to feel.
     
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    Maybe we will have hexas in Varuna?
     
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    A new Stingray series TAG (keeping with the nautical theme) called a "Clipper".
    Heavy Shotgun, Panzerfaust and Nanopulser.
    Uhlan's stats, but replace CH:Camo with Holo 2 and give it Aquatic terrain.
     
  18. AdmiralJCJF

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    I'd love to see some kind of grenades on ORCs.

    And it's not impossible that Stun Grenades or something similar might not appear in a Varuna unique profile.

    And Helots are going to be cool however they fall out tactically, if what we know from the RPG is any guide.

    I doubt it, but it's technically possible (similar to the Black Friar, there's some background justification for it).

    Now THIS would be awesome!

    But...

    What are they "flashing"?

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    I'll let myself out.
     
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  19. daboarder

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    we already had clippers.

    But something like a schooner or frigate could work.
    "outrigger" has a nice ring to it
    Id want double shotties though and a panzzerfaust+Nanopulser just wouldnt cut it, youd need something at least on par with a fuerbach, even if its shorter range
     
  20. eciu

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    It would be vastly inferior to Uhlan.

    Holo doesn't give you the layer of protection as CAMO. You can be hacked/engaged/shoot at directly. I also have a feeling that Holo2 is more expensive that a simple camo (but might be wrong on this particular thing).
     
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