Nomads lore question

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by AlphaStrike, Sep 23, 2024.

  1. AlphaStrike

    AlphaStrike Well-Known Member

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    How is the relationship between the Nomads and Combined army perceived in the history of Infinity? And if there is any information where can I read up on it.

    I've briefly skimmed through the information I could find and it hasn't really answered my question, it seems they are potentially on a similar side, with Nomads seeing great opposition against Aleph and 0-12, but nothing seemed to be directly telling.
     
  2. Wizzy

    Wizzy Well-Known Member

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    It's a more complex relationship, like, for example, the relationship between certain left-wing movements that aren't especially tankies, but which accidentally find themselves in the same position as russia these days, even though they're fighting against it. Here it's the same narrative process, at least that's how I read it.
    Basically, the Nomads are outcasts from the Sphere, a certain percentage of whom could be linked to a sphere of left-wing thought like the Bakunin anarchists, but in relation to their position towards Aleph they see themselves as resistance fighters and from that position they are also antagonists of the same order against the EI. But there can be situational rapprochements in order to fight Aleph and also by accident where their actions go in the same direction.

    Here response by IA Sybilla and you could to use also :
    https://infinityuniverse.ai/
     
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  3. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    Correction: Bakunin Anarchists are not left wing, they are decidedly right-wing, in the style of anarcho-capitalists.
     
  4. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    Well, the Nomads are looking more "correct" with all the recent ALEPH losses. Huh, who knew putting all your trust in an AI who thinks they are infallible wouldn't work out...
     
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  5. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Not exactly. Originally Bakunin was liberal anarchism, Corregidor was anarchosyndicalism, and Tunguska was anarcho-capitalism. With the recent twist in Bakunin power structure composition it remains to be seen how this will evolve.
     
  6. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    Based on behaviour, "liberal" anarchism is just a cop-out for anacho-capitalism. And Tunguska never had anything resembling "anarcho" part.

    Similarly, Corregidor was not anarcho-syndicalism, it was always led by gangs.

    Look. I'm not an anarchist myself, but it is a disservice to anarchism to call any of the Nomads anarchists in that sense. None of the ships have anything to do with the left-wing variants of anarchism. Tunguska was always organised-crime set up, and that is not anarchist in any shape - they are pure capitalists. Similarly, Corregidor can preach "caring about workers" but it was setup as police state and it remains a police state. They literally employed the gang members to be the police!
     
  7. karush

    karush Well-Known Member

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    Short version. The nomads do not like the idea of an AI controlling society and ruling over people. This is either due to a distrust of authority, desire for personal freedom, or wanting to run your own black market (looking at you Tunguska).

    There is a legitimate debate if Aleph really is such an AI overlord or a useful ally to humanity... there is no such illusion about the EI. The combined army and it's ruler are an existential threat and a realization of the nomad's worst fears.

    We are 100% happy to steal their tech though (look at the szalamandra and the avatar. Try to tell me we didn't steal some design notes)
     
  8. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Short answers:

    Nomads are not unified. Some work with the Combined Army, knowingly or not, because they are the most prolific smugglers.
    The Observance (a part of Bakunin, one of the three ships and sectorials) hates Aleph due to some really hostile attempts to infiltrate their "internet" (Arachne) and ship back in the day, and have tried to grab a CA's Sepsitor weapon (the Observance Vs Military Orders Dire Foes backstory).
    Tunguska is REALLY comfy with Aleph where it is, because their data vaults are outside of Aleph's reach and that's a great business (they can just be an unsuppervised datacenter for ALL human factions!)
    Corregidor does not have big leanings in any direction that I'm aware of, they are the "nomad mercenaries" and were the base standard with, more or less, Neoterra for more than a decade.

    Now, Tunguska will not welcome any AI into their nets, because their business is to have a data fortress with its contents hidden from those. Bakunin would be unwilling to bend the knee to anybody (regardless of "subdivision") since the Observancy would not change one overlord for another (forcing them to fight one another is a good thing, however) and the other parts of the ship will refuse to abandon their anarchist ways. Corregidor is unlikely to break from the Nomad Nation, but at the same time are the most vulnerable to a co-opting attempt.
     
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  9. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Remember to keep the discussion clear from contemporary politics.

    I will agree the Nomads nation as a whole will not go well with CA, not sure if CA registers Nomads as a serious presence or an annoyance in the background.
     
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