Changes to Yu Jing you want

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  1. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    don’t have high hopes. JSA is being promoted to a Vanilla sectoral. It’s going to be getting a LOT of new troops and figures. YJ is not a favorite of CB and not a top seller (as far as I can tell). I’m sure, like most of the factions, we will have some adjustments in N5. But I’m not expecting anything ground breaking.

    We saw a new troop for YJ (Silver Snakes) so we might get something. Unfortunately, CB has shown art for a troop and we didn’t see a figure for months to years. The Snake looks very White Banner. Which is cool, but White Banner is not really the sectoral that needs new troops right now. He looks like an MI and has a Marksman Rifle. He looks very cool. I just hope that he’s not overly expensive like MI is.

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  2. Shango

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    IMO, the Yu Jing army absolutely does not need another TAG.
    I would prefer that the designers work on the essence of our army: the HI !
    We need new S2 HI that reflect Yu Jing's policy in terms of development and research. Troops based on the Hac Tao profile but diversified for other sectors of the game (close combat, camouflage hunting, mobility). I would also like to see standard S5 profiles for other armies but condensed into S2 for us! A redesign of certain profiles is also necessary: The Crane agent who could be aligned with the Hac Tao profile but oriented towards close combat and hunting camouflaged troops. The YAN HUO must be reviewed: benefit from TAGs on its armament (BS Att +1 dam) and why not be given an EMC Guided (-6) and NWI to make it a mini TAG. I would also like to see rapid intervention HI troops on the same model as Bixie: high mobility + specialized CC + Albedo to go hunting ARO snipers. Sun Tze must also be reviewed, in particular to strengthen it against hacking and guided attacks. Generally speaking, I do not want Yu Jing to get the same thing as the other armies, but rather to get troops capable of fighting against the strategies of opposing powers: so something to go unnoticed in front of MSVs, something to protect against hacking (more KHD), something to see the camouflaged ones... all in HI S2 chassis.
    It would be awesome if Yu Jing could create a presence inhibitor to avoid detection in repeater hacking zones and equip it to his heavy armor!

    There is still a lot of room for varied and new profiles and I find it a shame that CB do not exploit the potential of their own rules by offering profiles that are too similar from one army to another. The game tends to become impoverished and the choice of armies to be based on cosmetics rather than on their gameplay.
     
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  3. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I usually avoid pinging a person that I reply directly underneath, but ok, point taken.

    We have different definitions for what is awesome miniatures and GW is not my definition, didn't like the new skaven to be honest, but its up to personal tastes.

    When Sphinx background was released it had stealth maybe it should get it back? I do not know, Daofei in Invincibles would be nice, not sure if replacing HacTao or if it would be selected with HacTao around though.
     
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    Can confirm, very useful. Many threads at the moment have similar names and are buried three layers deep in the folder structure of the forum, so if something falls off the "recent" tab a notification is great for keeping conversation going at the next login.
     
  5. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I don't think YJ NEEDs a new TAG. But then again, I don't think any faction NEEDs a TAG. 90% of every list I make has no TAG in any of the factions I play. I have to actively put it in to use it. It's like that for most of my meta too. Every single faction that's in Infinity plays perfectly well without a TAG. But I want a TAG for YJ. Playing with giant mecha battle suits is cool! It's why I'm going to try out that game Gamma Wolves. So I can build Gundam models and play with them. Also, I still have some PTSD from JSA being taken from YJ and not being replaced for years. We had 2 TAGs and then one. Years latter back up to 2. Meanwhile other factions got many of their own. Also the Guijia kinda sucked for years. He got better with some martial arts and super jump. Ok yes I admit, it's a bit of a YJ pride thing too. I get a bit jealous when other factions get cool TAGs.

    BTW for those that keep talking about theme and YJ being the HI faction, it's only been the last few years that YJ has lived up to being that in game. For a very long time, PanO had as many or more than YJ. Especially after the loss of the Domaru, Karakuri, and Shikami. it also took them 10 years to come out with more than 1 Shang Ji! So we had some on paper but not on the board (some of that was pre-proxy rules). Now Daebak has but them over the top.
     
  6. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Yes, but that is an opinion, other meta and players really like their TAGs so I can see the appeal for more TAGs.

    I just have to point out that PanOceania and Nomads always had more TAGs than Yu Jing, even when they were purely stat lines and no models existed.
     
  7. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it's much of an opinion when many tournament winners have no TAG in their lists. TAGs are nice to have but not NEEDED for any faction. Our recent local tournament winner had no TAG.

    True about PanO and Nomads and I don't begrudge PanO. But Nomads only had only one more than YJ. They had the Sally and the Lizard. Now they have 6 TAGs. That's a pretty big jump. Yes I know you will come up with some stupid background for it. YJ got the O-yoroi, lost it, then years later got the Blue Wolf. I fully expect Nomads to get a 7th before YJ gets a 3rd at this point. Now even JSA has two. Actually, except for Ariadna, every faction has at least 2 TAGs now.
     
  8. iKon

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    How far back are you going to when Nomads only had 2 TAGs?
    We are talking at least N2 right? maybe even 1st ed?
     
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  9. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Mid N2, before the original Human Sphere, which brought us Iguana.
    Memory serving, Geckos came with Campaign:Paradiso.
     
  10. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Even in first edition Nomads had more TAGs than Yu Jing, so?

    More to the point of the discussion, it depends on meta, there are meta were tournament winners have TAGs and metas were tournament winners do not have them.
     
  11. Space Ranger

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    First edition. Then came the Iquana. Not sure if Geko were same time or later. Then of course Gator and the Stigmata shortly after. But also to note the number of troops at the time of 1st edition were less than half of what we have now.

    You just proved my point. Nice to have but NOT needed. But I personally want it whether I need it or not.


    Aaaannnyway, moving on. Back to the rest of YJ.

    I think we are pretty set with HI.

    We currently have:
    • 19 Non-Character HI
    • 7 Character HI
    • 1 Merc HI
    (The next closest is PanO and with 11 Non-Character HI, and 5 Character HI.)

    Of those:
    • 3 Camo
    • 3 Midfield deployed
    • 2 CC specialist
    • 1 Combat Jump
    • 4 that are 1 Wound + NWI
    • 4 Size 5 ARM 5
    • Of those I wish Hwarang to be as cheap as Hellblazers. I think we are paying the YJ tax for them. They are almost exactly the same but YJ pays more because Frenzy instead of Impetuous. Both of which are ignored in a Fireteam.
    • Speaking of Frenzy, Hulang need something like that to get the cost down.
    • I want Haidao to have a doctor or medic and count as troops they are with in a fireteam. Also, they need BTS. These are naval troops with Zero-G skill! They should have BTS3 at minimum!
    • I’d like more options of Zhencha.
    • The Crane is great in CC but hardly gets into it. Needs to be faster, more options of CCW. I’d especially like a ParaCCW in addition to other weapons.
    We actually don't have many Medium troops. Only 5 Non-Character troops. Other factions have double that. Though as of now MI has it's problems.
     
  12. archon

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    BAMS - Missions like Last Resort make use of Biovisors. So at least some usefulness in ITS (Missions) would be nice.

    I never used him (not even have a mini) and never was very intrested in him. But yeah the only "big" prominent recreation from Aleph for YJ is the most boring and less used one (<- last part is a guess).

    Faster i.E. 6-2 would be a good start.

    Yes, yes and yes!
     
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  13. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I think, originally, the Crane was supposed to be the opposite of the Hospitaller or Santiago. He’s currently better than either of them in CC! ARM4 with good CC ability and good weapon. The Crane really is very good at CC. CC24 (highest of all in YJ!), MA level 3 (15 Damage) with a DA CCW. It’s really good. The Crane is also one our best hackers with a WIP14 and BTS6.
     
  14. iKon

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    Do you have a source for the information you allude to about Silver Snakes?

     
  15. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Nothing other than the image to go by. Leaked by the artist. We can infer by the fur on his "coat" thing that he's White Banner. Also by not having armor on the upper legs makes him look MI. Not HI. Other than that, nothing else.
     
  16. psychoticstorm

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    Go on, I have to say its one of my most favorite designs and a big reason why I decided to collect IA.
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    It's great. I just wish it had more weapon profiles. Multi-Rifle, Red Fury, Breaker Combi. BSG and SMG are good but I find he's out-ranged all of the time. Sure I can hit a button on a console, but I can't keep it because anything I shoot back at i'm negatives. If I want to be aggressive with him, I need to get into good range or wait for them to come to me, but that's very risky. Now that he has good BTS its better. I'm not one that thinks SMG's are all that great. The ammo options are nice but it doesn't help when you are trying to hit a Shrouded in cover at -3. More mines and D-Charges too.
     
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  18. iKon

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    Did the artist call it a Silver Snake?
     
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    Not directly, it's the name of the file.
    Same goes for the PanO art named Black A.I.R.
     
  20. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Black A.I.R. was confirmed today.

     
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