Haqqislam Reinforcements

I'm strongly suspecitng the Azra'il will be getting a Reinforcements profile (geared fro close-range combat, like the N2-era one with AP Rifle, LFT & Panzerfaust). Because what's the point of a long-range gunfighter in a group intended for forward deployment...?

Sekbans swap Spitfire for a Red Fury.

I'm totally intrigued by the REF al'Hawwa. Al'Hawwa without Camouflage & Infiltration (because those skills don't happen on Linkable troops)?

All in all, we've seen but a glimpse so far. We have to wait for the complete package.

 

I think it will, more or less. Though it'll be a bit more expensive than REF one (REF seems to be cheaper on pricniple - since they show up late to the game).

Also, game becoming 250pts/10 models + 100pts/5 models is going to change a lot, compared to the current 300pts 10+5 models standard. I think we'll be seeing different units on the table than before.

 

It appears marker states don't happen on Reinforcements.

 

I kind of feel like CB really didn't show us potentially the most interesting stuff lol. We really don't know a lot. I want to see what they are doing with Sekban especially, given how core they look to Haqq's reinforcements.

The Korsan looks neat but kind of redundant, at least for vHaqq and HB. Maybe Ramah and QK will get better use out of it, and maybe the standard profile will have something like smoke or airborne deployment.

The Burtuk seems cool, I'm a fan of those kind of toolbox units. No stealth is a bit rough, but I think that LRL profile could do work when linked, and it's nice that Haqq has a native combat engineer. Also linked gizmokits might be interesting for use with the Shakush. Or hell, just having a potential midfield engi for the Sunduqbut could be really cool.

It's nice that Odas have had their profiles consolidated, and maybe that might make them more interesting in a haris, but the profile still doesn't really excite me. Maybe starting in the midfield with reinforcements might help them out more?

I really, really want to see what the Azra'il looks like in reinforcements. If it is just the standard profiles, that would be huge given how immobile the Azra'il normally is. If they do give it a specific reinforcements profile, there's also a lot of potentially interesting stuff - something like an AP Spitfire profile feels maybe in line?

The Sekban stuff is interesting to me, but also has the potential to be really disappointing. Sekban, at least imho, are one of the poster children when it comes to bloated, overpriced and not especially capable MI. If all they are doing is swapping their Spitfire for a Red Fury, that'd kind of suck. Both for Haqq reinforcements, and for QK. CB did give Moblots a pretty nice update, so I hope we see something similar for Sekban (durability, shooting skills, really anything tbh).

I'm also curious to see if Hafza are going to get any changes - they are kind of fine as is, but CB could def do something more interesting with them. IIRC Bostria gave examples of Hafza having Commlink (+1)/(+2) in multiple videos, so it sounds like they getting some new profiles regardless.

FTO Al-Hawwa and Hakim profiles sound neat. They could just be literally the same profiles without Camo/AD/Infil, which would be boring but fine, but what CB did with the Blade Ops for PanO (which I presume are going to have some regular camo infil profiles?) makes me think they could do some neat stuff with them. FTO Hakims especially sound cool.

There's also a bunch of other stuff that implies that there might be some potentially interesting changes (wildcard AVA1 Djanbazan? No options for 5 man core link purity? Azra'il-Hawwa duo?), but those could also just be things I'm reading into too much.

I guess the main thing I'm really, really hoping for is for Sekban to get a glow up. C'mon CB, they have some sweet ass lore, an awesome looking design, and could really bring QK back up if they were given some help.

 

Exactly.

Though I've always thought of Camo Infiltration to be crucial to al'Hawwa's effectiveness. Withouth them, they're merely Mimetic shotgunners (as the al'Hawwa in ther box is the Hacker loadout) without much to stand for them.
Of course, REF version may be quite an oddball, compared to al'Hawwa profiles so far.

 

I find some of link a little odd, like hawwa in fireteams. Azra+rouhani could be ver y cool. Korsan chain in haris. A good combate engineer, Who Can repair tag in mid/final turn.

I think, malek reinforcements has good potential.

For the little box i spected an azrail.

Cheers

 

I'm hyped for the Burtuk. If the sculpt looks like the profile reads, that man will become a staple in my games.

 

That's kinda funny that on the unit logo it's called burkut, not burtuk :)

 

I read back through the old N2 lore for al hawwa last year and they were described as sometimes working as undercover operatives on civilian vessels. I thought it would be cool if they got a holoprojector or killer hacker cybermask ability that would represent this, since I don't feel camouflage has the same "hide in plain sight" feel.

 

I like new profiles and new sculpts. I play HB and a very HB-style Vanilla Haqq,

But right now, I cannot see using Reinforcements at all as I feel they weaken my current lists despite having a total of 50 pts more to spend

In Vanilla I rely on Mukthar/Asa/Rafiq/Namur Duos in varied constellations plus multiple Camo Marker (Roadblocks & Button pushers) - here I already use Al'Hawwas, Hakims and Rafiqs so I do not need seemingly castrated profiles as REF.

In HB I use 2 Haris-style link Teams and again multiple Camo Markers. All options in REF are imho inferior to the profiles I use.

REF - as of now it is nothing for me

 

we need to play more 250Pts list; ITS 14 can be played at 250 and it uses the same battlefield dimension as 300. Only then will reinforcement be an easy add-on. Or not, actually, as 150-250Pts are played with 15 units while with Reinf you have to play with less so that the bonus 100Pts don't put you over the 15(or +1,+2) cap.

 

For me the biggest issue is that it waters down faction thematics. As an RTF Player, I want to play RTF units. With reinforcements, I'm (rein)forced to play a bunch of Qapu Khalqi dudes to help out my RTF. For PanO, it's not so bad for me since I play NCA, but everyone else suddenly has Bolts on the table helping out their knights or jungle or winter fighters.

Which also means (boring) mirror matches will be much more common. A reinforcements match-up of Caledonia and TAK will nonetheless end up with a bunch of French dudes fighting each other. Somehow that makes the game less interesting to me, not more

Finally, it makes no sense whatsoever from a thematic perspective. Imagine the fight between CHA and TAK I just mentioned. Are we supposed to believe that they both call Equipe Argent, and the French truly send out two pods of the same force to shoot up each other? Or the combined army sends two squads of Exrah into a clash of Morats and Shasvastii to prolong a fight between two of its races? It just doesn't make any sense.

 

I think this will be discussed more when the comprehensive picture of reinforcements will arrive, personally I do not think we will see many if any "mirror matches" as players will customize the reinforcements to fit their way of playing and filling the gaps they predict to have.

 

They placed a Prowler in the Nomads linkable troops, and an IGAO in the Tohaa ones without camo state, so I suppose it's a way to drop the price, and give a toolbox.

Since the Reinforcements are mostly a pack of troops using the old N3 "Mechanized Deployment", that makes the Hawwa lose only the marker state, so depending on the profile he can be a good objective marker (I always preferred the FO one to the Hacker, also because of the flash pulse as a defensive weapon if Discovered, so...)

 

Perhaps.
Then again, they haven't shown us REF writeups for Igao nor Prowler. So, as we say, that's writing with your finger on a surface of water. Ephemeral.

 

The format doesn't really draw me in. We'll see after GenCon when things are more clear.

First, I'm curious to if it's possible for Reinforcement to be balanced against not-Reinforcement. Is 250+100 "even" with 300? If for nothing else not having to rebuild lists on the fly when I get to the local game store.

Given the evolving nature of Corvus Belli's offerings over the last year and a half, does anyone think we'll ever see any more Sekban than the two for the initial box release? Does anyone feel that we'll ever see the Hafza with heavy rocket launcher model produced?

I'm actually more concerned about what gets mapped back into the profiles we already have.

 

I think the game is going - again - through a paradigm shift. And the way the models are packaged is meant to reflect what CB sees as intended method of building armies.

Pretty reasonable for a new player, I guess, though rather irritating for an old hand like me: out of the Reinforcements Haqq box, I need only the two new units. Maybe three, if the al'Hawwa has a loadout different to the pre-existing models I own (inc. one converted with a BSG, so I have three). The rest is going to be a dead weight on me: I have the old Sekban (inc. converted Doc) and old Hafzas (inc. converted HRL, because for years, the profile existed without a model. Still does).

Well. I'll proxy. Perhaps I'll buy the specific models themselves on a second-hand market, from a box-splitter. I still have lots of models I don't need nor want that came boxed with the new models I needed - and I'm not able to offload them. From my point of view, CB isn't doing the sales to me the way I'd need them to do.