You know, someone once pitched this game's fluff to me as it being full of greys, no faction being being black nor white, that kind of stuff. So unless Invincible is like ponies riding unicorns riding floating hearts from planet love and peace, I'm not sure how we're supposed to balance this.
It is weird that we are seeing Yu Jing become such cartoon villains when we literally already have invading aliens trying to conquer and enslave all of humanity.
Maybe it's not politically correct to have the underdogs be a bunch of fascist war criminals, so the other faction has to be even worse.
Well, they are acting like pretty much any real world totalitarian state looking to crush an uprising. We have the brutality of Ariadna, the casual indifference to Atek suffering of PanOceania, the ruthless totalitarians of Yu Jing, the remorseless Nomads...
Wait it was from the new book? I wonder if it's not too late to cancel the preorder... :| (also, if the whole book is shit like this or the recent unit fluff, CB's gonna have a tough job convincing me to buy any more)
I doubt it is. I'm hopeful it'll be good quality... I'm especially interested in the actual timeline/playing out of the Uprising, plus the full fluff for Ikari and StarCo.
Arg, that is not a great sign for either nuance or realism. Even where they're suppressing by burning cities and mass killings, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an example where 'pretty much any real world totalitarian state looking to crush an uprising' had a police officer yell at a journalist to broadcast overt genocide across the globe. Even a totally-evil totalitarian state is still going to be well aware of international opinion and the vital need to control messaging.
Now I understand. During the last weekend BoW video's Bostria was communicating using YJ style marketing. Someone should tell Cb that kicking gamers in the nuts and making jokes about it is not exactly the type od marketing people are expecting. ☺️
That's why I'm still (barely) willing to give CB the benefit of the doubt. And because the past material shows that they're potentially able to write good fluff. Agreed. If I were the designated YJ spokesman I'd play up the angle of proper military discipline, effective destruction of military targets, war criminals being given due process (even if faked). You know, all the things that JSA proved lacking in. It's hard to screw up when the enemy's basically doing your job for you. And twirling a Lo Pan mustache and gloating over how cruel and ruthless you are is a surefire way to drive off any and all Japanese still loyal to the State-Empire.
The Empire has been more than willing to punish the entirety of Japan for the actions of terrorists so I don't think they're too concerned with any loyalists
I think you fail to see it from the Yu Jing perspective and see it from a western perspective. First and foremost Yu Jing are a totalitarian state facing at that time an unprecedented mutiny of a section of the population that they believe they have already gave them the best opportunities and been quite lenient on them despite their aggression (remember Japanese started as equal before they showed their schism tendencies and the Kempeitai), they then got downgraded to second class instead of something worse, first and foremost this is in Yu Jing eyes an internal affair and the news group is most probably for internal consumption as is evident from the quote, moreover the ISS is both under extreme stress that something that huge happened under their noses (and they shamed their emperor in the eyes of the party) and they know how to use intimidation, plus they are the law, not worrying much about been prosecuted. This is an extremely angry agent (trying) using intimidation to settle a really bad situation for an internal (to his eyes) affair. Yu Jing are not cartoon villains, they are a complex and complicated culture that responds in character to the events happening and their point of view is not one of a free western democracy, but from a totalitarian state closer to the hegemony's of old. You see it as "oh they kill the poor Japanese" they see it as "those ungrateful bastards started an armed revolt against the nation that made them what they are" of course Yu Jing will kill all who took arms and supported the rebellion, if nothing else to set an example to the myriad of other cultures they have in and of course they will use (brutal) intimidation to stop the rebellion if they succeed they will end it with far less dead than full armed suppression. And I have to stress it again, for Yu Jing this is an internal affair, how they run their country and more importantly how they decide to stop an armed rebellion, is none other business.
"You guys are taking ethnic cleansing with an excessively western point of way, asians think its okay" Also, Yu Jing isn't acting like a totalitarian state, its acting like The Only Democracy in the Middle Easttm
Yeah, I feel like some factions are definitely more grey than others. Imperial Service was always pretty questionable. True story: I knew a guy who liked the models, but decided not to buy into IS because his wife (who is Chinese) was so thoroughly appalled by it. As I've said elsewhere, I don't personally mind this sort of thing. My view is that it's refreshing to see evil portrayed as, well, evil. YJ is an authoritarian state-empire with a paramilitary branch dedicated to policing and quashing internal dissent. This was never a great place to live. As for whether murderous regimes broadcast their atrocities, I would direct you toward the sterling example set by ISIS. I think it's true that in the modern world this has become less common, but if you look back through history there is no paucity of rulers being quite frank about what folks could expect if they were stupid enough to cross them. Carthago delenda est. I don't even know what to say to the reply by @psychoticstorm though. I suppose we all just misunderstood the Soviets? Pol Pot was just sorting out some internal affairs?
I do not think they care about others opinion on an internal issue, plus what you have is a quote from an imperial agent (and not the highest one) on a local news Chanel, or a Chanel intended to be viewed by the Japanese citizens, not the head of state barking at the concillium. I think the writing is realistic of the situation and the players at hand.
I'll leave this here and come back to it tomorrow to check if I really read what I think I just read.
No, you just saw it from our point of view, the view of the free western civilisation, probably the correct one, not from their point of view and the quote is written from somebody who has the Yu Jing point of view, not the PanO or Nomad or Haqq, ectr point of view.
Thanks for the clarification. Your original post was worded in such a way that I wasn't quite sure what it was you were trying to say. :-) If it's any consolation to this much-maligned Crane agent, I'm sure the Umbra have got his back.
