;) Why? Because they don't have it? CB have decided that, for some reason, neither PanO not YJ should have HD+. As several other factions don't have it either. Also, if we start grafting every weapon, skill and piece of equipment on every army, we'll eventually end up with everyone having everything. And that, in my opinion (and that's that, just an opinon and merely mine) would make the game way more boring...
In today’s marketing it’s imperative to know your “audience”. Gen X, Z, Millennial, etc. Things like these forums are great for knowing how you can serve your customer. What they like, dislike, how much they spend, and more. Older generations don’t expect companies to interact with their customers because they never could before. Younger generations EXPECT companies to interact with them. This is why some say CB should listen to us and some say they don’t need to do shit (A bit of a generalization there). But it’s a lot easier for companies to get info on the customers. Many can just ask them! CB should have been doing questionnaires for years! They rely a bit too much on competition data. Which is skewed due to people taking armies that fit best for those missions. So you will hardly see any of some armies because they are just not good with certain missions. Also some missions are more popular than others. Around here Biotechvore is avoided like the plague! Get it? Lol. Just to be clear, I don’t think Nomads are the top faction or anything. My problem is weight of numbers. There’s a lot of Nomads and some CA that have been doing the hacking against me. That new Morat hacker is ridiculous! I never would have thought Morats would have one of the best hackers in the game for points. I will point out it’s almost pointless to compare similar troops in different factions. Some like Yu Jing, have a Yu Jing Tax. Just because. Somehow moving an extra inch with a dodge is worth more than +1 BS. It’s pretty arbitrary.
In all honesty, could you please point what do they not have? I mean, if I take Bakunin: They hack like there’s no tomorrow Moderators are exceptional warbands, without speaking about Uberfall They shoot as well as PanO does. I’ll actually go as far as saying that they even can shoot better than PanO with ultra optimised fireteams They have a spam of mimetism They have smokes They have eclipse They have counter intelligence They have NCO They have Number 2 They have multisniper rifles They have MSV2 They have ML They have HMG and multi HMGs They have good infiltrators They have very good ARO hard stoppers They have HD+ They can spam pitchers They have very good dodgers They have cheap HI They have tinbots (like… -6 ones) They have access to very cheap cheerleaders They have no issue in generating orders They have infiltration and hidden deployment + KHD They have paratroopers / combat jumps They have marksmanship I can even go down to say they have so much of everything that they even have Neurocinetics… I really don’t see any faction that has access to SO much stuff. I don’t really see what is that they do not have and what tool / functionality they are lacking that others have access to. So yeah… if “making sacrifices” is having the capability to choose within 90%+ of all available stuff in the game, we’ll never agree on what “sacrifice” means… I will ask a very simple question: what does for example Varuna has that Bakunin doesn’t? Except a motorbike? Because as far as I can tell, I can give a very good rundown of what Bakunin has that Varuna doesn’t. Varuna doesn’t have: - HD+ - hidden deployment KHD - pitchers - smokes - eclipse - pure fireteamable heavy infantry - they have no warband. Not even they don’t have good ones, they have none - counterintelligence - lieutenant +1 order - number 2 - deployable repeater minelayer infiltration - they have no good dodgers - they have no pure fireteam msv2 msr with mimetism -6 - marksmanship - they have no way to field 18 models - any good lieutenant. Now we’ve come to a world where Nomads have better lieutenants than PanO… Speaking about faction identity. Oh yeah. They’ve got the Cutter. As usual —> box PanO players to “just use your TAG and deal with it”.
So what do they not have? (know you will say command skills). As far as that goes they are about average. They have "almost" everything. They have every specialist other than CoC. And what they do have they can take many of. Hackers that are as good as CA and Aleph. They have big guns and range. They have MSV on good troops. Some of the best midfield in the game. Assassins as good or better than Ninja. Good to fantastic HI. I would argue some better than the so called HI faction. Some of the best close combat. Comparable to those that used to be the best. Many TAGs to choose from.
So they are Nomads and live to their archetype I assume you mean die morloc Gruppe, they are good if somewhat expensive warbands, many factions have such units No... they do not.... they have some good shooters, but they are not PanO levels of shooting PanO has, Yu Jing has, Arianda has, Shasvastii have, many have. They don't you mean LT+1 order? Everybody except PanO has smoke They do, its not as rare as one may initially think... Yes, its a common skill. Like above common skill and only in the same unit, a fundamental unit, but a single unit never the less. Yes they are a high tech faction. Yes, on one unit in a single loadout, great to have with smoke, but far from "they have SMV 2" All factions have access to missile launcher All factions have access to HMG many with variants and all modern TAGs have more or less Multi HMG... Yes, most if not all factions have good Infiltrators Yes, as most if not all do They do! Each faction that has access to pitchers has access to baggage and can spam it Riots are no Teutons, but they are allright, Pupniks are great. Several factions have cheap HI Yes, and Zoe is the only one that can benefit from it. who does not? Who does? Hidden deployment HI, hidden deployment long range weapons and hackers, Remote presence TAGS, mimetism -6 infiltrators, camouflaged HI and TAGs, BS 15 troops, basic (non character) Superjump units and probably more if one digs into the subject.
I list a few things they do not have, there are probably more, the list will probably be bigger if one picks what they have in limited access.
I saw you compare what they do have to other factions. You kind of proven the point. They have many things other factions have and lack very little.
Last part was things they do not have, listing things everybody has does not mean they have everything, it means they have things most have.
I guess, here should be a question, how effective could they be in different playstyles. And what other factions can do in the same may (also how good they are in it) Just to compare existence of tools give us no full picture.
Um that's not a lot. And I'll knock a few off that list. First off that brand new Stigmata Remote Presence TAG. Super Jump? You mean Cheerkillers, Hollowmen, and more don't exist? Spekr is sad you forgot about their Mim-6. Does if matter if it's a character or not? Maybe not BS15 but BS13 or 14 with Mim-6 is similar enough. Camo HI. Close. Sombra and Zhencha are both Camo, ARM3+NWI with infiltration and climb plus, but Zhencha has the privilege of being hackable HI while the Sombra are MI. Sombra for whatever reason is also BTS6. Edit: I'll also add in this little thing they definitely have more than any other faction right now. New figures. And not even half way through the year. 2023 Nomads: 6 Releases, 23 figures (2 Wildcat, 1 Evader, 2 Tomcats, 3 Beta Pack, 9 Bakunin, 1 Dire Foes, 4 Coregidor FT Pack, Meteor Zond) Combined Army: 2 Release, 8 Figures (Hungries, Daturazi) Ariadna: 2 Release, 5 Figures (Wardriver, Pack Alpha) Aleph: 2 Release, 4 Figure (Agamemnon, Booster Beta) NA2: 2 Release, 2 Figures (Wardriver, Yuan Yuan) Yu Jing: 2 Release, 2 Figures (Lei Gong, Hulang) Haqqislam: 1 Release, 1 Figure (Shakush) O-12: 1 Release, 1 Figure (Roadbots) PanO: 1 Release, 1 Figure (Dire Foes)
If you read the post well you would have noticed it was about the Bakunin specifically, but Ill grand you I forgot Stigmata existed, somehow... As I said listing things most factions have does not mean Nomads have everything, it means Nomads have common things most factions have.
That would be an exhaustively long list of interconnected parts, worth doing if one has the time to invest.
Nomads have things other factions do have, while those factions have don't have many of those things. YJ doesn't have Frenzy to make HI artificially cheaper even though they are the "HI faction". No HD+, No pitchers, 1 doctor for all flavors. Yada Yada, the same with PanO, Haqqislam, and more.
But why do these complaints always end to be about Nomads? CA, O-12, and Aleph have all those options and even more capabilities. CA and Aleph also have a much better performance in ITS. But every single time people envy what Nomads have compared to their faction... Just once I would like some to harp about how O-12 gets all the toys....
