0. I would like to request you forum users to consider that I'm not complaining out of being salty or envious of Nomads getting more things while others don't, because I've been a Nomads player for like 10 years, and the only faction I play other than Nomads is StarCo. This is about being rational and normal in regards of playing the game competitively, and joyfully enough. 1. It unnecessarily breaks the inbuilt limitations of the faction(which is called characteristics). Nomads being suck at giving orders and commanding troops, IMO, was the true identity of the faction. We still got fucktons of brilliant units and gears to win the game. 2. Therefore it discourages players from playing other factions. Daemonists have a set of skills, very much alike to Alpha Unit from O-12, but significantly better. It also has Lt. Order +1 skill which was never needed, like Knight Commander from MO. See, the Commanders are exclusive to MO. But why are Daemonists in vanilla Nomads? Is there any reason that Nomads be much better at commanding troops than MO or O-12? I think not. We already have pretty good things, which others don't. 3. It makes the situation of units competing in vanilla Nomads Army List, worse. As I've said above, we have tons of S-ranked units such as Puppets, Uberfall, Gator, Kowalsky, Vostok, Evaders, Jazz, Hecklers, etc. Putting another unit which is unoriginally good, is making the situation worse. Now I don't feel like putting mediocre units such as Grenzer, Interventor, Intruder, Prowler, Mary Problem, etc. This is the one of greatest flaws you should be afraid of, because it discourages my pleasure of playing vanilla with it's numerous range of units, and makes me feel like playing vanilla is like playing another sectorial with limited range of units, since not putting in S-ranked units in you army list is going to be a waste of time.
For cost of 36 your lt is vulnerable to any hacker, so one isolate and you are in lol. Also in vanila not a lot good NCO options (only new moiras and gator) So its not looks gamebreaking. The only thing she brings is that you MAY not be killed by fiday on the first turn, but you can get same result by taking 2 moderators.
I’m really not convinced it’s all that. It is the queen of obvious Lieutenants. The high points cost effectively gives you an extra order on an NCO, which in Vanilla we’re basically talking about the Gator. It’s vulnerable to pitcher / missiles, drop troops and camo / impersonation CC. While she doesn’t straight up automatically die to any of those things, I don’t feel she’s winning on average against most of them. It’s an option, but I don’t think her defensive tools are enough to stop a skilled player from completing an assassination run.
Maybe I should've put 'TL:DR' section for you guys. The only paragraph I'm telling them 'strong' is the third one. Please read the first and second, regarding the faction characteristic and deprivation of motivations.
If you feeling that she is not a narrative for nomads and insult and discourage other players, you can just not take her in your list
Meh, I agree with the points here that the model is kinda ok. Like, there are issues enough with it for it not to be game breaking. But I hate it. Personally, I hate it. Whoever suggested nomads needed Command and Control options should be beaten with a wet pool noodle. But other than personal taste, I'm forced to concede the model doesn't break the game. Too expensive, too obvious, too many weaknesses. It's still a model that shouldn't even be in nomads to begin with, but it's nowhere nearly as annoying as the gator in that regard, it just made me roll my eyes.
Im more annoyed for counterintelligence. Make the option of puppet master less interesting in vanilla, and i love puppet masters. I agree should me bakunin only, but more for the fluff than the balance.
Nomads have been "breaking the inbuild limitation of the factions" for ages now to the point that they are the hacking faction, the warbands faction, the midfield faction, the TAG faction and the HI faction all rolled together. It's gonna be funny finding out which new lame excuse replaces "but it's OK for us to have everything because our LTs are killable" for Nomads apologists now. The bottom point is, why play other factions when Nomads have all the skills and equipment and can do everything?
That is the second alternative when the seed of discordia doesn't get removed. I think the first thing should be done is the removal of the seed, which cannot properly accomplish the objective of giving Nomads what they want, while stoking the rage of other players. Besides, for real, if you guys think Demonists are not that good and cannot impress you, than why should it be in vanilla Nomads when it only incites the feeling of unfairness to players from other factions? Ain't this a situation where the desired effect is not working, but the side effects are?
I know it's hard to picture it being Nomad, but there are factions without pitchers because faction limits matter when you are not playing Nomads.
It's probably not getting taken in Vanilla anyway. Bc you already have counter intell on Puppet masters for cheap and 1 extra order on a Gator for 27 pts (more than a moderator Lt) is prob not worth it. It's a cool unique creative profile, but I don't think it really matters either way. Hope the model is sick and whatever pet it has is wicked ;)
Exactly. Even for me, I don't feel like playing vanilla Nomads anymore, since it feels like a twisted chimera which has every limbs and torso borrowed from others.
Because other factions have a different vibe and win more and also have almost all the skills and can also basically do everything just like Nomads, but without the Obvious Lts Some people just like to whinge more about it.
Not interested in a long adversarial pointless circular argument sorry. That kind of thing is a big reason why the forums are so dead these days. But pretty much all the factions can self-evidently do almost all things that can be done in the game these days, outside a few very specific close to unique things like pheroware, or impersonation (which Nomads don't do) If that's not already obvious to you, I'm not going to convince you, so there's not much point in discussing it.
If you really want CB to nerf something, the best way is to use it to win ITS games. We know that CB tracks ITS and makes changes based on its results. That will get the results you want. Be the change you want in the world.
