Due to new fireteam annex, when an active player activates his fireteam and declares(for example) BS attack, is it still considered that all fireteam members declared BS attack? I can't find the exact answer in the new rules, and this is important for stealth users.
Still no sing of what "other Fireteam members" have declared. "Declare" in new annex appeares only when talking about teamleader or fireteam in common.
I suppose you are referring to Holomasked members? In the Holomask rules: Support is what a non-Leader declares when the leader declares an Attack.
Nope. It's more simple question: It was clear until string "All members of the Firetem must declare and execute the same Short Skill of the Order" vanished.
This text is about reset and other skills they perform together. I'm searching clear wording about attacks and other skills performed by leader only.
It is not explicitly spelled out, but rather a consequence of activating troopers. https://infinitythewiki.com/Trooper_Activation#Order_Expenditure_Sequence Each time the Active Player decides to use an Order (of whatever type) to activate a Trooper, follow these steps: As such, simply by activating a Trooper you're forced to go through the OES. Activating the Fireteam activates all troopers https://infinitythewiki.com/Fireteams_in_the_Active_Turn All Fireteam members are activated with the Fireteam Order.
Clear. Thanks. P.S. But I'm afraid I'll need something more specific to be heard... wish me luck... P.P.S. Useless. They don't get it.
Can someone look the spanish version of the FAQ? There, in the answer used the equivalent of "declare" or "perform"?
It doesn't really need an FAQ. It just requires a bit of careful reasoning. Here are the steps that I can see, which explain it: The fireteam annexe tells you that based on what is declared, certain members of the team perform the skill. For example if it's movement then they all perform. If it is shooting then only the fireteam leader performs the skill. We know that declaration comes before performance. So if we want to check whether certain members perform a skill, they need to have declared it first. Therefore, due to the order of operations (declare before perform), and the fireteam rules annexe, it MUST be true that they ALL declare and then the check for performance occurs later. If they did not all declare the skill then the bit of the firetean annexe saying, "only the fireteam leader performs...." is pointless. Why would that text be there? Only the fireteam leader would have declared, so of course only the fireteam leader performs. That line only makes sense - it only functions - if we assume they all declared together. The alternative text needed to support the reading that only the fireteam leader declares the skill would need to be explicit. It would need to say exactly that - they're the only one that declares. And subsequently it would need to say ALL fireteam members declare move. But it doesn't. It differentiates between performing, NOT declaring. So they have to all declare to reach the performance check.
There's nothing in the rules that could mean that only the team leader declares the skill. The rules say that the whole fireteam is activated, and don't differentiate the team leader from the rest of the team in any way other than that he performs the skill while the rest of them perform an idle. So the only two possible interpretations are that all the Troopers in the fireteam declare the skill, or that no Troopers declare the skill - the fireteam declares it as a single entity distinct from its constituent Troopers, and you can only ARO against Troopers. But then you wouldn't be able to ARO at all, even against the team leader. The leader would perform the skill declared by the fireteam, but it's declaration, not performance, that triggers AROs. So if your meta is particularly recalcitrant, you could always start telling them that they can't ARO against your fireteams at all, even against the team leader :-)
You've got the examples to lean against as well. Spanish is a bit interesting. As far as I can tell the Spanish FAQ uses the term for "perform" rather than "declare" which is not how the Stealth skill works. The question isn't so much the specific terminology in the FAQ as whether you're able to not declare parts of the Fireteam Order with any given member of the Fireteam as being forced to declare the Fireteam Order in full would individually - FAQ or no FAQ - negate Stealth. Stealth in Spanish is also relying on declarations and not performing skills, just like in English. I do not think there's any ground to stand on Keeping in mind that tying Stealth's cancellation to "perform" breaks the skill since Stealth's entire point is to prevent ARO declarations, so checking its validity after the opportunity to even declare an ARO makes no sense what so ever. Stealth has to be cancelled by declaration.
Now we came to an idea that "only team leader declares something, others just perform". And to be honest, I see how one may really come to this conclusion after new annex wording.
Why does this matter? Is the concern about non-leader models being attacked as they stand helplessly by?
It depends on whether they have activated stealth or not. So, yes, its mostly about attacking/hacking fireteam non-leader members.
What do you mean? Example: Active link of varuna orcs is moving, one nonleader orc-1 comes into zoc of my repeater, then link leader is shooting. Can I hack that orc-1?
Oh sure. But the ORC can't declare any ARO at all. So I still am confused why it matters if ORC-1 'declares' or 'performs' anything.
