Introducing... Hakims. Special Medical Assistance Teams

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Papa Bey, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. Cadwallon

    Cadwallon Well-Known Member

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    In RTF there's a mid - field medic+ with vol 15 (Tuareg) and has TO.
    If he has AD like bashi bazouk, he will have the wings from other ad troops, and this is not the case.

    So my hope is it would be a akbar doc (haqq only has one). So i think (hope) it'll be a cheap akbar doc.

    Looking the meaning of hakim from wikipedia:

    "akīm (alternative transcription Hakeem) indicates a "wise man" or "physician", or in general, a practitioner of herbal medicine, especially of Unani and Islamic medicine, like Hakim Ajmal Khan, Hakim Said, Hakim Syed Zillur Rahman, etc.

    Hakīm was also used more generally during the Islamic Golden Age to refer to polymath scholars who were knowledgeable in religion, medicine, the sciences, and Islamic philosophy."

    A mix of medicine and philosophy sound a akbar doc for me.
     
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  2. theGricks

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    What if it could be a Doctor+Engineer? Ramah will probably use a lot of Bio-engineered soldiers and Remotes...
     
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  3. Palomides

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    The Janissary Akbar Doctor has the word "Hekim" on the back of its sculpt, so I'd wager that this is another Akbar profile.

    The question is what it does to be unique. As a cheap support for the Al Fasid + Tarik, there is value in a barebones profile. BUT the SMG or BS loadouts seem really tailor made for midfield combat and I don't know if the Tuareg prevents another from taking that role. AD would lack the defensive mods and token state of TO camo, but could also be several points cheaper.
     
  4. n-sphere

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    That was my point about healing. Healing is inherently weak in a 3 round game. It has to be REALLY important or extremely efficient to even consider it.

    Haq is really good at being efficient with doctors, but their other healing stuff kinda sucks a lot.

    Limited insertion is deeply unfair to Haq so that doesn't even count. It is like asking PanO to work correctly as a faction in a game with table wide white noise. Haq orders are not full price so they already have an efficiency bonus there.

    A Ghulam doc+ with some bots can cover most of your long range shooters like HMGs that will be staying in or close to your deployment zone white providing a cheerleading order. They can even get an ARO sniper back up efficiently as long as the sniper can work from prone. One order to get an HMG back isn't bad.

    Halqa doc+ deploy where you want your medium range shooters to reach, while still covering your deployment zone with bots. Especially annoying if they are prone on a rooftop with another infiltrator or Tarik jumps up on that roof. Even if the thing they are supporting dies they are still a midfield rifle and high WIP specialist threat vector that will drain a ton of orders to eliminate (who wants to spend the orders to climb up there just to face off against a coverless shotgun ARO to the face). Super efficient with capability vs orders.

    Taureg is sorta like a Halqa, but different. They cost more and give up bots, but get TO and AP mines.

    Linked doctors hitch a free ride into position while filling out the fireteam bonus and letting the fireteam have button pushing options.

    All those doctors are rolling for 17 or 18s, and often have the option to buy a re-roll to hedge their bets. They really only run into troubles that make it unreliable against high burst AROs or shock ammo. So a hedge against that would be a niche that could be filled in support of doctoring.

    Spending an order on an AutoMediKit or regen to flip a coin with no-re-roll option to get your guy back just sucks and there isn't really a way to make it good with the correct synergy. If you want to hedge your bets you just use the reliable Haq doc options or you ignore the idea of hedging your bets and play like the models don't have healing options. You are overpaying because you pay for options that you never want to use because of how inefficient they are. If there was a Djanbazan knock-off profile that traded regen for shock immunity and any sort of cost reduction you would never see Djanbazans anymore. Spending an order on regen means all you played yourself into a corner where all your options are terrible or the stars aligned in a big way.

    If those rules could be fairly reliable and efficient with the correct synergy they would suck less. If they add a well priced profile that can make that happen then they've got a niche for a model to fill. If they just toss another doctor+ option, then I don't see how it fits well because of how well covered and efficient the doctor+ options already are.
     
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  5. 8vius

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    Why do they give up bots?
     
  6. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Because the nasmat has to be linked to a valid doctor or engineer. A taureg is more than likely in hidden deployment so the bot is deactivated and a give away that something lurks.
     
  7. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    I haven't played Haqq yet (lots of assembly to do first), but having played against them a number of times the big benefit of doctoring units back up isn't in the orders you gain back, but the orders that you make your opponent spend. If you can make me spend 2-3 orders taking out a unit that is in my way to scoring, or is points towards scoring, and then raise them back up to be dealt with again, then you have severely hampered my resources. I think the trick is figuring out who and when to do that doctoring.
     
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  8. 8vius

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    Yeah sure, but you can have a bot with a Tuareg. You pretty much give away to your opponent that something is in hiding when you tell them you're using hidden deployment anyways.
     
  9. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    If I do not infiltrate beyond the halfway mark of the table, I don't need to announce anything.
     
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  10. loki

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    Hekim translates to physician. Hakim also translates to physician/doctor.

    On the Jannisary, it's basically just something on the armour to label them as a Doctor. Kinda like the white arm band and red cross. I wouldn't take the naming convention is mean it'll be another Akbar doctor.
     
  11. 8vius

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    Yep correct, how do you get around deploying with your opponent in front of you? Generally we ask each other to turn around so that basically signals that we have hidden deployment.
     
  12. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Pretty sure it wouldn't be a cross. ;)

    Taking it to PM.
     
  13. loki

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    Didn't say they would, I said it was like. It's a visual aid on the battlefield.
     
  14. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    [​IMG]
    :D

    That leads into a whole side discussion about why there are _any_ identifications on anyone. Everyone else is tagged and IDed in your various computers, so insignia just invites one to be picked on. :D
     
  15. Xeurian

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    Another Akbar doc would make the most sense to me. It's a little strange that we only have the one option for it.

    I would say you should ask your opponent to turn around for HD every game. Small notepad with a rough map works too. Just jot something down in the notepad at the beginning of the game whether you have HD or not.
     
  16. Barrogh

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    BSG can work for deployment guarding which works well with the purpose of backfield doc with nasmat. SMG can be a way to just cut the costs. On the other hand, if the model is irregular (which isn't all too likely IMO) SMG means you always has something to do with that order (enter SF) to the same end.

    Speaking of backfiled / long range ARO support and considering existence of nasmats, if CB will go full cost-cutting route, they can as well slap 4-2 MOV on this one. It's generally not a good thing for docs, but it can cement it into a particular purpose, and if anything, you can somewhat undo that downside (and cost reduction) by linking some nasmats with him.

    I'd say there are reasons this model can do to fill different niche compare to jans; being relatively cheap backfield option is already enough to be picked in vanilla (while jan's survivability and ability to go for objectives himself is actually a serious deal), but there's also that role of akbar option in Ramah.

    One option is to take a pick of the table with your phone and mark the position on that photo. You also get a "time of creation" parameter on the resulting file, which helps making shenanigans harder.
     
  17. Agorapocalypse

    Agorapocalypse Namurr and Nahab are girlfriends

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    So... idea here, Hekim is like a Hafza, 1 hekim can join any available link in RTF, otherwise hes an Akbar doc, arm 1 bts 3, wip 14 maybe 15? and cheap.
     
  18. Barrogh

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    I don't really think an Akbar will be of much use in RTF links since they only have Al-Fasid and Tarik to use that ability on. We don't know about their linkability of those, or course, but even then the latter would prefer something more mobile with him.

    Other than that, Ghulam and Khwarijis have their own docs.
    Pure Zhayedan link looks like being too expensive for what it is anyway, although an argument can be made for a haris, especially with cheaper filler if Hakim is indeed one. If they are getting a mixed link, they will likely have a doc there unless it's with Naffatun.
    Naffatun don't have a doc profile yet, so there's that.

    None of those need an Akbar though, although some would take it over no doc at all.
     
  19. loki

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    Well we don’t know the full roster. Given the faction being where the ‘money’ goes, as well as the super soldiers, I’d be shocked if we didn’t get another 2W option.
     
  20. theGricks

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    We still need another HI unit in the faction (which could be asawira...but dunno).

    An Akbar doctor would be great if for nothing else than to give us another Akbar Doc that is not the price of a Janissary.
     
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