Remote Presence (while unconscious)

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  1. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Remote Presence is an automatic special skill.

    Automatic special skills have no effect while unconscious.

    I assume this interaction has been addressed at some point in the past - does anyone know where?
     
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    Tanan Well-Known Member

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    Remote presence skill specifies how it works while unconscious so I don’t think this is a problem.

    Hacker, impetuous and total immunity skills in unc are way more open to interpretations.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    The simple absurdity should settle this. The rule would make no sense if it didn't work while Unconscious.
    I think this was hashed out in N3 at some point. Don't recall if there ever was a conclusion other than it'd be absurd if it didn't work.

    While it is strange that Immunities do not work while Unconscious, I think those three are all quite clear. You still have the Hacker skill even if you can't use it and that is all classifieds and Trinity needs, impetuous troopers stop being able to self-sabotage when they can't move and immunities just don't work*.

    * Important note; they stop working after entering Unconscious, so Immunity Shock will still allow you to enter Unconscious**
    ** Oh, hey, wait a minute. That means you can ping Remotes to Dead with shock ammo more easily.
     
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    I find it strange that you can remote medkit total immunity troopers when they are unc but not in NWI.

    Also I find the persistent hacker status based on classifieds somewhat dubious. What if we play non-ITS missions? You can’t then trinity unc hackers?

    Sniper rifles are deadly vs unc TAGs.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Trinity targets enemy Hackers. Hacker is a skill and being Unconscious does not remove the skill, it just prevents you from making use of the effects.
    There is a classified that works in the same way where you need to be in base contact with an enemy specialist that is unconscious, Trinity does not depend on this they just share the same logic for why they work. Just because the Paramedic is unconscious and the Paramedic skill does not have any effect doesn't mean the trooper stops having the Paramedic skill and thus counts as being a specialist. (The exception here is Specialist Operative, where it is specifically written in the skill's effects that the trooper is a specialist for the scenario.)
     
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    Each scenario is allowed to say which models will count as a specialist. So if Paramedic is a specialist or not, does not depends on Paramedic skill effects but on the scenario itself. Most scenarios says

    SPECIALIST TROOPS
    For the purposes of this scenario, only Hackers, Doctors, Engineers,
    Forward Observers, Paramedics, and Troopers possessing the Chain
    of Command or the Specialist Operative Special Skill are considered
    Specialist Troops.

    Which means that SO, regardless of that skill's effects, is always a specialist for this mission. The SO skill effect would only matter when a scenario calls for paramedic and doctor to be specialists (and leaves out hacker/eng/fo/CoC/SO), allowing specialists to open a coffin. Then the SO effect #1 will allow it to open coffin too, and effect #2 will allow him to be considered a specialist (but only while alive, so he won't count as a killed specialist ? i dunno).
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    This is true.

    Dead state, btw, does not prevent Automatic Skills from working.
     
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