Fine Tuning Profiles

I agree in some cases, in others, not... Going to the point.

Boyg, while I like the mk12 profile, I feel in same way as you do, this guy is great need to have some "more" in order to be not only a "non SWC"Justice K without CC capability. Of course BS+1 will do the trick, but right now they are some others thing better than high BS. If you look at the Guarda de Asalto in ASA, you can see how something is missing... And yet, I'm with you in this one, +1BS will make this guay "True Pano" without pretty much any high impact in game.

Sepulcre,Bolt and K.Commander I don't think they need any kind of change. They are good enough as they are. The profile with no extra Lt.Order it is really Ok, because you can then do a lot of use of holomasc. You can point your Lt as other miniature (for example an Satiago Spitfire). This is what allow that profile. So, let it be ;) Sepulcre don't need BS15, it is really good now, even cheap in points and SWC. Yes, it will be "amazing" but OM has a lot of profiles with BS14,13 and a few with 15, it is Pano to the bone in this way. About the Bolt, I love that combo. Of course, it is cooler in cheap disposable profiles, but yet make the bolts dangerous enough.

Assault Guard... My beloved ASA unit. It was one of the reasons which I started in this game years ago. But right now his BS 15 is not good enough to put in the table. They are many others profiles which compete with him. The flip coin effect to launch the eclipse is one of the worst things. This don't do any favour to the Assault Guard. Maybe, and only maybe, with the trait specialist (with no cost up) the guard will see more table, but I'm not really sure is this alone will be enough. I think he needs something different, we have drakios and montesa, profiles which right now are better for many reasons. Probaly something like "BS shock" and "BS+1damage" will do really the trick. Or if letting the Guard exactly as it is right now, give the auxbot +1 burst to the granade launcher. This probably will increase the "hit" ratio doing this guy worthy to be in some lists. The smoke was one of the main reasons to be there back in the past.

Uma... In my humble opinion one of the worst profiles in the whole game, if not the "Top". It was really shocking when I saw all the defiance profiles and compare that ones with Uma... It is a profile too expensive to be useful. It is sad to say that I found only one reason to play her: 400 points games where I want to do use of Nisses (haris and core) but I need to spare 1WSC for the Lt. And yet it could be probably better put there the nisse even with 1SWC tax. She need to be a lot cheaper as she is right now and for the camo profile to have, at least, any kind of forward deployment (as you suggested).

Gunnar to me is other matter... While I know he costs too much, he needs to be a little cheaper, maybe a 3p drop will do the trick, or give the guy a DA CC weapon instead the trench-hammer or in adition, it is really ussefull in Winterforce. I do a lot of use of him because he brings an extra oder, which is right now "gold". In n4 you need many orders as you can. So, Gunnar do that, too a Wildcard for any kind of fireteam you want to play. You need a duo, gunnar provides and extra order plus someone to push a button, plus someone dangerous enough to not every body be close to this guy. And with frenzy, in later turns could be "gold" to have one extra order to move forwards. Not even understimate climbing plus. It could be better? Yes. He need to be fixed? Probably yes. Still, can we do use of him? Yes.

About the ORCS... to me the reason to change then is only a thing of comodity... I see the ORC profiles and I get myself a little lost... too many profiles entries. What I want to say with this... In vainilla, please only "plain" orcs. In sectorials, please, only "sectorial ORCS" and only that profiles. It is cool to have acces to a big bunch of profiles, but it will be easier to have less options, in this case. Varuna ORCS, ok, they are only in Varuna and all of them "are Varuna Orcs", same for the others sectorials. If nothing special for that ORCS, then vainilla ORCS only.

I have curiosity to know what others players think about your list, because probably it will be a lot of opinions about it which can change our mind or how we see some of that profiles.

Best regards!!

 

Very interesting. The boyg certainly could do with a bs buff to distinguish it and make it a unit worth considering over others.

Sepulchre is fine as is I think, he’s done well for me. Knight commander suggestion is good, a CoC version would be useful. Bolts are fine as is right now too. I think they have what they need in their profiles at the minute.

Definitely yes on the winterfor orcs like their Varuna counterparts. As @Urobros said though I’d like to see sectorial orcs in sectorials and standard orcs elsewhere. Though this does limit variety it makes the sectorial feel more like the world it’s representing.

I like your additions to Uma, a plus FD would be great. I’ve had more luck with her than others seem to have but she does need something extra. I’d lower Gunnar points. As you said, he’s pretty much a points sink the way he is but he does give some utility that’s lacking from other units.

Acontecimento needs to be redone (mainly because I want new minis). The Guarda de Assaulto needs to be upgraded in the manner you suggested. For your wish list for a more guard style unit for Varuna, I think the easiest way would have been to make the orc character bs15 and give her the profile changes you suggested as an extra option. Saves on changing the basic orc profile. Though since Varuna use orcs almost exclusively I could also see this for them.

Some very interesting observations here and useful suggestions. Nicely done!

 

I do not agree with the "Guard" units and the upgrade to BS 15. The BS is fine as it is and "Guard" units are already there and in the right sectorial. Especialy Santiago is fine as it is.

I do agree with the Orcs. Make the sectorial Orcs with their special benefits and prices - all loadouts. I hate it when my SWF Lt. Orc has no SWF abilities. List only the sectorial Orcs in the specific sectorial. Use normal Orc profiles in Vanilla and NCA. Finish.

The Boyg is problematic. As an ARO piece he can work (Dodging, if something dangerous appears) even with B1 ML. B2 in ARO means he becomes an blue Yan Huo. For this role he is too expensive, especialy in his home sectorial. He is a unit, we never wanted. I used him in one game and he was afraid to shoot a Daylami, because the Daylami could shoots back on 14. Later I dodged a lot of orders out of a Hortlak Janni (Boyg was in the open, most of the time). In the end, he was annoying for the opponent, but not dangerous.

I don´t know what to to with him. Mimetism would help, but to be honest, that would help everyone.

The Knight Commander is fine as he is. I would reduce him to the Lt+1 Order profile only. I think CB just don´t want him to have CoC. If MO wants a CoC, it has to pay premium for it. I guess that is a design decision for this sectorial.

Guarda - I think adding SO is a good idea, but I doubt that CB will touch the profile without a good reason (i.E. release).

Bolts: At least I think, they keep up with the LSG because a) they have it on the current minis, b) they want them at this price. Bolts are very good at the moment. I do agree on the Drop Bears, all but the hackers for example.

Gunnar: Too expensive. At the moment, I would get him for his TA but only for this, he is too expensive. I would try to make him cheaper. Replace MR with CR, maybe keep the DAM+1 (customized gun). Dogged feels bad on 34 pts. Maybe NWI - shock immun - same weakness as his dire foe Adil.

Uma - I never thought about her, because the only mini is from Defiance and apart from her look, that is nice, she is very unattractive profile-wise because she is too expensive for what she brings to the game.

Change to LI, Change mov to 6_2
Camo Profile: Add FD 4", add SO, remove Breaker.
FTO Profiles: Remove Breaker, add X-Visor, add SO.

 

I think the Boyg should be condensed into a single profile with both ML and MK12. He wouldn't be overwhelming, but there would be no bad range for him, and he would be a ML that can clear it's own path to line up a good template shot. In Sval, you could allow a pathfinder to duo with him, which would emphasize utility over specialization. If you really wanted to sell models, you could go up from there with mobility (climbing/super jump) or making him closer to a light tag, with the expected cost increases to match.

Uma is low enough tier that you could probably give her marksmanship without going over the top. That would make her an potent, but fragile gun fighter.

 

Boyg would profit well from Hidden Deployment and Surprise Attack - without Camo. It'd also fit its name, as Boygs were a kind of trolls able to turn themselves invisible.

Guarda de Assalto - just make them faster.

Uma doesn't need fine-tuning, she needs a complete redesign.

 

Uma needs to be finely adjusted into a nearby rubbish receptacle, then revisited at a later date once the designers have sobered up.

I'm most familiar with NCA, so I'll talk about units from there;

All the generic LI is (amazingly) completely fine.

Aida's trash but fun trash, and could probably be usable outside casual play with a Specialist skill since NCA is hurting bad for unhackable Specialists.

Let the damn Black Friar Sniper link. Other profiles are fine.

Locusts could badly use anything that lets them survive a turn in the midfield (Minelayer, Hidden Deployment, Limited Camo etc.) and a Specialist option that isn't a Hacker- a midfield Hacking Device with no Marker State and Zhanshi Hacking stats is easy points for anything short of Ariadna.

Bipandra could honestly be removed at this point and it would take the community weeks to notice.

NCA ORCs could benefit from Veteran- it's already on Bolts, and NCA has real problems with playing into good Hacking sides unless leaning into Bolts. I'd like to take a list without Bolts that I can play into Nomads.

As a whole, the Sectorial really leans on Bolts to pick up the slack from being possibly the slowest, most Hackable, worst objective-play faction in the game with their ability to simply ignore such paltry obstacles as "terrain" and "enemy units". Somehow picking up its midfield options or providing a strong enough Hacking presence to at least unnerve Jazz (and therefore turn the Sectorial's Repeater presence into an asset instead of a liability) would do wonders for encouraging a bit more list variety.

Oh, Quinn's there too. He's a Bagh Mari I guess, they're not bad. Man, is Quinn boring.

 

Boring, but a nice mini.

 

I do not feel making the Boyg and Sepulchre bs 15 really matters. The Sepulchre is a rock solid solo model that because of marker state can get where he needs to go. Not every secitorial needs a bs 15 HI. The only issue I have with the Boyg is the missile launcher seems like an odd choice to me, if he had a Feuerbach or HRL it would make more sense or if he had nurosinetic +1 burst on his missile.

I find the basic Bolt fairly useful, yes the drop bear one is better but sometimes you just need those points else where and with a rifle + light shotgun there is a lot of uses for that Bolt.

Things I think are need are a model with counter intelligence preferable a hexa or locust.

 

Indeed. A boyg with a feuerbach and/or neurocinetics would be very useful.

 

The only problem is it would step on what other models do. From what I can peace togeather is the boyg is an attack model that you use dodge to get him into position and then open fire so the mk 12 works, and actually is a good buget gun for it, but the missile seems odd given that role.

 

I would have thought that two but they are nothing alike.

I will speak more on the boyg after I get in some more games with him.

 

Same! I used the mk12 from a Tohaa Kiel san. It worked quite well as it the correct size for the boyg. I also have yet to use him though…

 

But what if he had the mk12 AND ML!?!? (Shameless plug for my previous idea)