Consensus on Hacking

Well I play this at 300 :

Guided Missile Corr
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GROUP 1 10
EVADER MULTI Rifle, Panzerfaust, D-Charges ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 25)
WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23)
DAKTARI Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
JAZZ FTO undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 19)
JAZZ FTO (Hacker, Number 2) Submachine Gun, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 19)
MOBILE BRIGADA (Lieutenant) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 32)
VOSTOK FTO (Mimetism [-6]) Mk12(+1 Dam) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 44)
JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
VALERYA GROMOZ (Hacker) Combi Rifle, Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21)
GROUP 2 4 1 1
MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
McMURROUGH Chain Rifle(+1B), Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP + DA CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17)
TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)
5.5 SWC | 300 Points
Open in Infinity Army

 

IDK if that's necessary. I've seen players make the Zondbot setup work with it.

 

Pretty much yes.

 

That's "literally wrong" tho

 

But that opportunity cost /s

 

In CJC, yes (they are your only cheap, regular skirmishers). In Vanilla Nomads I might not take them without strong hacking to synergize with them. But in Nomads I'm probably doing that, that's why it's a synergy. Why you wouldn't use it when using Morans, I'm not sure. Definately there are times I'd prefer Zeros or Hecklers though.

Minus the repeater they are worse Gangbusters, who I don't see many complaints about.

With the repeaters and making use of the synergy less skilled players in some matchups can clearly have some trouble dealing with them - and they can do many of the normally very useful anyway skirmisher things. No marker state limits them a little. At other times people say non marker state skirmishers are no good, because they are so fragile etc.

 

Morans are good enough that some groups I've seen house-rule certain terrain pieces so you can't deploy on top of them, because deploying a Moran there if the piece is in the midfield is too powerful.

 

Limited Camo Morans are quite good too, but spending swc on them can be a big ask. And not being able to recamo is a real downside compared to zeros.

 

Yeah I think all the skirmishers have their place. Which isn't to say Morans aren't very good, they are.

 

Are you not finding that a ten order list is hit hard in turn 1 nowadays?

 

EVO and Vertigo in 10 order list is wasteful, you would never find orders to use them
at least in 15 orders you can delegate the second group to them

 

That why it's a 15 model list, there are 2 Combat Group. I think the only way 10 order list can work is fielding a lot of wounds.

 

I think they work in missions like Panic Room & Biotechvore where it's very hard to alpha strike.

 

I swear to God that was showing as a ten order list...

Any way, yea I like that list, might use it tonight.

 

This right here. Hacking should be more sabotage oriented than weapon like. It’s a very complicated subject and I clearly do not have an answer for it, but irl it’s primary purpose is typically information gathering, subversion, and sabotage.

 

This is anime cyberpunk hacking. It's space magic.