Hi I was re-reading rules on Holoprojector in context of Bashi Bazouk and there are two things that are a little unclear to me: 1) Lets say I deploy Bashi as 3 Ghulam snipers, using both Holoecho and Holoprojector. The Wiki states that: "If the player is using Models instead of Holoecho Markers, then the first time he activates the Trooper in his Active Turn, the player must place a Holoecho Marker next to one of the three Models, but it does not have to be the Model of the real Holoprojector bearer. In this way, the adversary can know he is facing a Holoprojector Trooper in order to be able to delay his AROs." So this means I have to place Holoecho Marker ONLY when I activate this Bashim not sooner. So he can pose as 3 Ghulam sniper for a whole game. Am I reading this correct? I'm asking, since the Example text box states something different. I assume the rules are correct and the example is wrong? 2) Bashi deploys using Parachutist. Can he deploy in the Holoecho state? Holoecho state is cancelled by any Entire Order skill that isn't Cautious Movement. And Parachutist is an Entire Order skill. But on the other hand, Holoecho state is activated automaticaly on deployment, and he is deployed at the end of the order. So first I declare using Parachutist skill, which should cancel Holoecho. But since Bashi is not yet even deployed, he is not in Holoecho state. Then as a result of the order I deploy him on the table. And now since I have deployed him, he can automaticaly enter Holoecho state, as per rules?
Holo projector says the trooper can be in the state when placed on the table. So should be fine for parachutist deployment, especially since you've already spent the order when placing on the table.
The first thing is that you cannot use the holomask and holoprojector simultaneously, both have the NFB Label and as the Rulebook indicates on page 81: IMPORTANT Negative Feedback (NFB). The use of a Special Skill, Equipment, Hacking Program, etc., with the NFB Label is incompatible with any other Special Skill, Equipment, Hacking Program, etc., with the same Label or Trait.
Holomask state and Holoecho state are combinable, it is an exception to the NFB rule stated in the Holoecho state.
It's true, I forgot about that exception (it shows that I don't use much troops with both pieces of equipment, the ones I use have one or the other ... so I assumed they couldn't be used together and I didn´t look if there were exceptions ).
I'm not finding an example that contradicts the rules text on this one. I see two examples but neither of them looks like the one you mean. Can you post the example you're referring to? In the interim, afaik yes, he can pose as 3 Ghulams all game. However, it's moot since your opponent will see through the deception at your first order count phase. It's really only a deception on turn one, and only if you go second (and only if your list has 13 or fewer units on the table).
If you mean this example, A Haqqislam player, who has the second Player Turn, decides to intimidate their rival by deploying three Ghulam Snipers on different rooftops, when in reality they only deploy one Hassassin Áyyär and his two holographic decoys in the form of Ghulam Sniper Models. The player does not need to place a Holoecho Token next to one of the Ghulam Sniper Models until the start of their Active Turn, indicating to their rival that they have a Trooper with Holoprojector.on the bottom of this page https://infinitythewiki.com/Holoecho_State This is what the Holoprojector rule said in the HSN3 book (color added): If the player is using models instead of Holoecho Markers, then at the start of his Active Turn or if he activates the Ho- loecho state in his Active Turn, the player must place a Ho- loecho Marker next to one of the three models, but it is not compulsory that model be the real Holoprojector L2 bearer. By this way, his adversary can know he is facing a Holoprojector L2 trooper in order to be able to delay his AROs. The player can remove that Holoecho Marker at the end of his Active Turn. That's pretty clearly another example of an example written for the other version of the rules.
Yes, thats the example I was refering to, thanks Solkan :) This is a subtle but nice change to Holoprojector. I think it might have its uses, will have to play a bit with them. Thank You all for clearing things out!
So what's the general conclusion for Parachutist and Holoprojector/Holomask use? Parachutist rule says: While off-table, the Trooper will not add their Order to the Order Pool during the Tactical Phase. However, they may enter the table using their own Order to use this Special Skill, when the player chooses. So, Parachutist makes an entire order to deploy, which in turn disables his Holoprojector. There's counterpoint that Holoechoes are deployed only when you're put on the table, so you don't meet the cancellation clause while putting yourself on the table. However, there's an "important" box in Holoecho rules saying: "Cancellation of Holoecho State is applied to the entirety of the declared Order, even if the Skill revealing the Holoecho bearer is performed at the end of the Order." Thus your Holoechoes should be removed immediately after placing due to meeting cancellation clause?
