Well other than some of the rule changes we want with Fireteams. But what I think the need is a new troop. Specifically a regular troop with specialist options in the 15-25pt range. Right now, just looking at troops below 25pts. we have Zhanshi, some REM, a few Tian Gou (starting at 22), and the cheapest Guilang. So we have troops that go from 11-20 range but then they go from 25 and up range. And those cheaper troosp that get near 20pts also cost SWC. Yes we have 1 doctor and 1 engineer but they only have one option each. When I think of White Banner and Huang Di, the world they are on, I think of Tibet. Mountains, hardy people, Buddhist shrines, cold thin atmosphere, hidden almost mythical cities in the mountains. I'd like to see something almost in-between a Zhanshi and Guilang. Forward Deploy instead of infiltration Mimetisim instead of camo FO, ENG, Hacker, etc. Terrain: mountain instead of total X-visor instead of MSV1. I of course want a Fireteam. But maybe some with options with Limited Camo. I go back and forth on wanting something good at CC because CC really kind of sucks in Infinity. Even with good CC specialist. Anyone else have ideas?
I think wishing for new troops is a total waste of time. They need their existing roster fixed. Red is for problematic units that are either let down by their base design, such as Tian Gou or Gao, or fireteam construction such as Jing and Liang Kai and Jujaks. Purple is for units that are either ok but poorly supported in the sectorial, such as both TAGs, or for units that are straight up just working with a shittier version of themselves in WB compared to other sectorials. Zhanshi, Shang Ji, and Gong are an example of that same link just being a gimped version of running it in IA. Green is for solid stuff. Unmarked stuff is for things that are either too baseline to really comment on (REMs) or things that I'm not super confident on rating either has good or garbage (Adil). Anyway, compare the amount of red and green to a good sectorial like IA Is it any wonder White Banner feels like half baked shit? This is exacerbated by what I mentioned when I talked about playing them at 400 points, the legitimately good units in White Banner suck up SWC like nobody's fucking business, which makes it even harder to make the sectorial feel good at 300 points.
On the top of my wishlist - jujaks get harris - jing Qo and Liang Kai gets wildcard or more fireteam options - switch qiang Gao with Hac tao ( or rework Qiang gao) - guilang lieutenant swc are dropped to 0. ( like Mentors in shavastii compared to Vanilla CA) On the more wild side: - Blue wolf get a special sneaky WB version with stealth
I definitely agree that WB could be fixed some without something new. However, It would nice to be able to take more that one Shang Ji and still get up to 15 mostly good troops. Whenever I take like up to three Shang Ji, the rest is pretty spare. Your must have Guilang and the filler. It's so dependent on a few troops doing well. Especially in the specialist department. I can get some okay guns but this is not a game all about killing. It's where I need to hit buttons is where I hurt the most. I know, sure we get some troops with Tactical Awareness. It's great! but when that guy is dead, goodbye TA. So this is why I want something inbetween Zhanshi and Shang Ji/Jujak.
The cheapest ye Mao is 27 points whereas the cheapest jujak is 26 points. The most expensive ye Mao is 32 and the jujak is 33. They are pretty much on par regarding pointcost. White banner is a kinda expensive sectorial point wise.
I think another unit would be cool, but lets wait for our new Char Jujak to come out first? Aside from a super cheap camo specialist like a Foxtrot, I find it would be hard to choose a 20-25pt limited camo specialist unit over the Guilang.
Sorry I meant something between Zhanshi and Ye Mao/Jujak. Something in the 15-25pt range. We jump from 11-15 to 25-35 pretty fast. You can see below how the price of specialist jump from 16 to 23 and 26. ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) ZHANSHI (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13) MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15) Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15) WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15) ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16) TIAN GǑU 1st Section (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) TIAN GǑU (Surprise Attack [-3], Minelayer, Hacker], Killer Hacking Device, Holoprojector) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Madtraps ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) YĚ MĀO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29) GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30) JUJAK (Engineer, Deactivator) Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30) TIGER SOLDIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 31) YĚ MĀO (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31) YĚ MĀO (Engineer, Deactivator) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 31) LÉI GŌNG (Chain of Command) Submachine Gun, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 32) TIGER SOLDIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34) JING QO MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt / AP + DA CC Weapon, Breaker Pistol. (0 | 36) SHÀNG JÍ (Paramedic) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt ( | MediKit) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 38) SHÀNG JÍ (Forward Observer, Tactical Awareness) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 40) SHÀNG JÍ (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt ( ) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 41) DÀOFĚI (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 56) 3 SWC | 621 Points Open in Infinity Army
Aesthetically, I am disappointed that we didn't get a more Buddhist/Shaolin presence within the faction. It doesn't have to go full MO, but it's an interesting thematic element of YJ's identity that feels left out, especially since Huang Di is supposed to be home to a significant Shaolin presence. I'd love to see a HI monk option, and I might design one for myself as a project at some point. The ability to build around more fleshed out monk fireteams would definitely open up list building a bit more. On a gameplay level (and more realistically speaking), I mostly agree with Triumph. Fireteam composition can feel really awkward and difficult, and the faction is loaded with lots of support units that fail to be valuable enough to compliment the fireteams they're meant to supplement.
WB lacks their own theme, what's the point? It's just mash-up-a-shangji-and-we-are-good sectorial. I don't know their exact selling points; are they guerrilla warfare specialists? Or an iron fist from snow(tm)? are they lightly armored ambushers with some Daos to show off? It requires a focus. C'mon, at least Imperial Service got their theme of cruel policemen.
Camo bots Rocket launcher ambushers Camo infiltrating heavy home for the classic camo infiltrator of the faction Truly a mystery whats the theme of this army
I thought the idea of Ye Mao was cool at first. They are almost the Tiger Soldiers without combat jump some of us wanted. Unfortunately they piled on other skills to make them just as, or more, expensive. Then they only allowed a Haris with them? WTF CB? Meanwhile, all of these other factions got their MI cores. Nisse, Vargar, Wildcats, Kaplans, and more. Not all of them great but still they are MI core. No not Morans. The closest I can come to that already exist is Briscards. They are almost in that 15-25 range I was talking about.
I think CB had missed the opportunity to make the Jujaks the main-HI in WB. Instead they put in the Shang Ji again. Not that they are bad, and its good to see them in two sectorials, but not in the same way as they are in IA. Jujaks should get core/haris and/or wildcard. Shangs get haris only, maybe able to join XY with 0-1 limit option. Ye Mao should be also able to core (but somehow they don´t want to give WB fireteam flexibility). Jing Qo deserves wildcard and Kai shoud be able to form a Shaolin Haris. That would be a great addition.
Yeah. Wb has a flavor problem. I don't have the mathhammer (mathfinity?) Chops to get into the nitty gritty of whar we need filled. But there's a lot of profiles I like in the sectoral. But something never came together to bring me a win. I was thinking the sectoral was cursed and I'm glad I'm not alone in the sentiment they need some extra oomph. That said I like some profiles on paper. I love ye maos, I love hundun, I love camo bots and Jing Qo. Its why I've tried them over and over to disastrous results. Really hurts them with the Svarheima half of the box that got a pretty great and flavorful list. Why did WB get IA's tablescraps? Really the salt on the wound for me is the jujak. That profile is an aggressive shade of grey. They look very unique, and rock one if the few backpack tanks for their heavy flamethrower in the game. A unique look and a presence in the box... So why are they just a shang ji with a heavy flamethrower? They're so boring and a real missed oppertunity to give the faction a unique point man to make their pain trains or hi haris's do something besides being a Kmart brand IA. Even the svarheima Orcs got some unique versions. Now that I see it here, I'm in total agreement that Ye mao need a core. Make a profile thats less loaded for bear to fill out their ranks, and give them a core. (Hey relase a box to give them more sculpts that aren't tourney exclusives) and suddenly we gave an extremely mobile MI core, I think that's be unique in Yu Jing. Is there even any hope of a revisit before N5?
They are not, they have worse stats and dont have a russian novel written in their skills box They are Zuyongs with templates on every profile I dont get what the problem people have with Shang Ji when ORCs are in 3 of 4 PanO sectorials
It´s just very vanilla and bland. The thing in PanO is that there wans´t a new HI created specifically for the Sectorials the Orcs are in, just to be outshined by said orcs... I think thats the problem. We have this great looking flamethrowertoting guys and no incentive to take them other then, they look cool and i want to use them. And then they are furthermore crippled by very restricted fireteams.
Oh, they should definetely have Full Wildcard even then they wouldnt replace Shang Ji as the main pointman but would easily fill cheap 2w aro and 2w LT slots
Jujak are a Zuyong with HFT. Right now I don't know what they could do to make them different from almost every other force. The HFT does set them apart. The closest to them in others might be the Omega with heavy riot stopper or Domaru who have chain rifles but no other gun.
Give them continous damage, NCO, give them a bonus to dodge like the teutons and riot girls, give them an autocannonprofile (The autocannon would be great for the Yan huo if he had courage and TR) , Or give them a Feuerbach, Arm 4, incendary grenades and mines, K1 Weapons (Well they already have breaker...) Flammenspeers, Vulkan Shotgun instead of Boarding shotgun... And let them form linkteams on their own...
