I still I have to meet in the flesh a player able to make heads from tails for most weapons, aside from their factions basic weapon and little more. No worries for me, I will grab a Tsyklon and make it into a Vostok with a proper weapon. But I refuse to buy what looks like lazy design options for weapons in uncrewed vehicles. I do, and he's optimistic. However, take into account he got the Crimsom Stone pack already, and a free plastic vostok. You can't bash gifted products unless you want to stop getting pre-sale products. I have seen that in the Videogames industry, and have not trusted the official reviews for more than fifteen years. As Nuada says: I will wait and see a model in my own hands before trusting the plastic. Not that I will run to get anything, however, since the only announced product I may have a use for are the bases. And those are really hard to mess up. I agree, Tin has doubled in price since 2020. And I bet things won't get to normal in at least a year or two, since the main tin mines are in countries ravaged by the bug or under heavy unstability. They are not. Each faction has its own version of all weapons, but for few exceptions (aleph & O12 using PanO weapons, for example). People can distinguish on the big side, but some are hard to. Specially Tohaa and EC ones (an example: from the Unidrones, only the sniper and the ML are easy to identify... the rest are all potential Plasma Carbines...)
Probably one of the soldiers just fills up the pellet count when it runs low. Given the setting's gun design premise it's not unimaginable that those are modified infantry weapons with the propellant tank stored further in the remote and with an increased pellet count as a result. A regular old combi holds around the same pellet count as do 3 or 4 bananas hold bullets in modern days, don't they?
I was really, really looking forward to the Bearpode and would definitely preorder, like I do with all the metals that I like the sculpts of. This pushed that purchase way back to "once released and I have it in my hands or see it on pics / vids unprimed and pre-cleaning".
I think it was more due to what I call ‘PanO support-pack syndrome’. Horrendously subpar sculpts nobody wanted, but was forced to take due to lack of options in army, which then lowered the priority for CB to make them, as the SKU-unit was “doing fine” from a business/sales perspective.
Having ridden the mood rollercoaster over the last few days (and having my views on the nylon Vostok influenced by it), I think I can see things for what they are now. CB is changing a very mature technology - spin-cast metal - in which they have gained significant experience over the years (I mean, I own and have painted N1-era, hand-sculpted models, and I'm painintg some of the most recent N4 3d-sculpted models right now), for something new: injection-cast nylon. We - as modellers - will have to learn how to work with the new medium (which creates understandable uneasiness in the crowd. Yes, I feel that too: I'll have to alter my ways to adapt to a new situation). That's one point. The other point is that injection-nylon cast is not as mature technology as the previous one. Why? Simply because they haven'tused it yet. I'm sure Vostok REM would do better with a different breakdown of elemnts, as what we have right now seems to be a carbon copy of what was meant to be a full metal Vostok. I mean, CB has spent the last 20 years or so learning how to do metla miniatures, how to cut them for casting, where to split the forms (to make as little splash and mold lines as possible). The same skillset won't translate perfectly to silicon moulds and injection-cast nylon, simply because this isn't the same medium. But then again, how long were they able to practise the skill, a year? Six months? Are we going to be, in effect, guinea pigs for the new tech and new skillset? Yes. This is the price of change. We may adapt - or we may go the way of the wooly mammoths: fail to adapt and disappear. Same as we were when 55mm bases were being introduced (oh, I recall what a rant I wrote back in that day's forum - because from that time's N2 rules point of view, 55mm bases were making no sense). Am I overall happy with what I see about the Vostok model? No. I do not yet know if I'll buy it (along with 5 other miniatures in that box, of which only 1 I do have an use. In a pinch), or whether will I build a kitbash, based on some of the exisitng models (say, Meteor zond? Should fit nice on a 55mm base, and none of my armies uses a Meteor anyway). Or maybe I'll use a 3d-printed REM, there are a few interesting desings available for download. Or scratchbuild something, the way I did with the old, old story of Vega-class REMs (heck, I still have them around... might just adapt something :D). But we need to remeber one thing: the only constant in the very existence of reality is change itself. Whether we like it, or not (and yes, I effin' hate the change as such. Which doesn't matter in the end: changes happen anyway)...
Since what you're talking about is basically the unavoidable growth of entropy, we're absolutely correct in claiming that every single change is for the worse. QED. ;)
Ok they may claim it's about keeping prices low, but think about it, CB is introducing a new material that's lighter, doesn't bend out of shape, and doesn't shear at weak points. There can be only one reason for this: BRING BACK THE CHICKENBOTS!!! #bringbackthechickenbots #chickenfinity
And it does bear remembering that the reason *this* type of plastic was chosen is because there are enough similarities to CB’s current processes that they believe the skill sets will transfer well and reduce breaking in/adapting time.
It is a good point - from CB's point of view. From the community's point of view - at least as far as the more vocal member of it seems to be phrasing it - not enough reduction. I mean, OK: I can understeand this. Vostok seems to be not as good as the last set of metal REMs (can't say I recall which these were). Whether that means not good at all, is debatable (or even assessable, in lawyer-speak, if I get it right). Let's wait and see what CB says on the August 11th, or whenever the Studio Update shows up. I hope they'll make a solid effort in convincing the community in general, although I am aware some people just won't be persuaded. Still, @Bostria - I believe this is something you guys should really put effort into...
Main reason seems to be that they can use the existing metal molds for Siocast and with the Siocast molds and their 3D production, they can still go back to spincasting the new models if they want to.
Spoiler: Nuada's detail complaints Other than the Head Hex/Jaw issue, Spoiler Which seems related to the mold because the metal master has something weird going on in the same areas, and may be possibly caused by them reusing the molds first tested on metal, since the video Carlos posted showed the plastic mold for the Vostok body in a traditional metal spin cast orientation , I have similar flaws to all the ones you highlighted on the metal Rudras I recently assembled. It has a couple places of minor mold slip, one of which was down a flat panel, some flash or something going through the middle of a thin gap like the one shown, and even had flash that I had to trim from one of the attachment holes in order to fit. Most of your complaints with the new material feel to me like nitpicking the new thing for flaws that you wouldn't have noticed in the old. I do agree that the head detail loss is a concern, but I'm hopeful that it's a mixed-casting issue, as similar details were successfully captured elsewhere on the model.
We shall see. Main concern is that had I met these issues in a metal model, I would return it and expect a better cast. With these it seems to be the norm and expectation, so there will be no better casts and no possibility to return unless you want cash back instead.
Hello, i just became aware of Infinity a week ago, main reason was that I've been slowly gathering metal minis from Warhammer 40k in the last year until I've bought ones on ebay that were actually plastic, I've been tricked. Anyway what brought my attention to infinity was a video on YouTube that had 5 tabletop games that the YouTuber Sayed it were a good fun, the point was that wile he was showing the models he said something that immediately anchor my attention to Infinity... Petew models!! Immediately i searched for lore on the game and various minis and was pleasantly surprised by the details and quality. Why am I fixating on metal minis? It's just the comparison i can make between the Legion of the damned metal minis and the other plastic minis just not the same the plastic just feels fake, i know I'm probably not making any sense but it is what it it's.
Fuckin oooof. While completely true, also completely useless when a significant portion of profiles must be proxied because the profile, or even weapon does not exist in the entire faction.
Ahh right, the good 'ol, everyone who actually has it is lying if they don't hate it it approach... Really, I haven't found anyone else who has one, regardless of how bad it might look in some photos, who has much negative to say about it, even in private. My own experience is that it is a little more to clean up, but a little easier to clean up. My overall review is pretty neutral on the material. It's not an improvement on quality over pewter, but it's an acceptable alternative with it's own strengths and weaknesses, which I think is fine. As a fellow finecast survivor, I can say this is leagues better. It is quite lightweight though. ]]
Mold tearing would be worse than freezing in my opinion, as that means they would have to throw out the mold (assuming they caught it). Silicone molds are definitely less durable than metal molds, but hopefully they last at least a few hundred cycles. Would be happy to do a detailed review. All my chicken bots broke their legs and I don't trust my self to be able to repin them. I would honestly love to get some plastic chickenbots (or at least the legs :P)
I know a couple of folks who have one, and their assessment is about 99% in line with yours. Different, neither better nor worse, just different. And a reminder to have the proper tools for the proper materials.
I'm really a noob in the miniature/tabletop games and really must listen to more experienced players and members of the community like your self. But instead of searching for minis and buying them I'm gonna have to see were this change from pewter to plastic leads maybe it will be very good for everyone and even will bring more people to the game or even bigger and more detailed models to the table, going to wait and see.
I got 3 of them second hand, 2 were broken at the ankles, the 3rd is still NIB. I pinned the broken ones and have yet to assemble the third. It wasn't too bad. Other than not liking bendy plastic cheap feeling models, and not liking the quality of the new models head area, I find it humorous that CB is going from being one of the best manufacturers of metal miniatures to one of the OKest manufacturers of plastic miniatures.
