New Jujaks and Korean character

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  1. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Middle Jujak is a new character, So-Ra Kwon. Appears to be armed with a Combi+Heavy Flamethrower on the sculpt. She appears to have better proportions in comparison to the male/female Zuyongs as well.

    I am mildly annoyed that CB have thrown in another Tinbot instead of the Jujak Engineer/BSG profile. Funny how we were missing any tinbots for years and now we have 3 different tinbots all of a sudden. When it rains it pours I guess.


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    Profiles still to come for her.
     
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  2. Delta57Dash

    Delta57Dash Well-Known Member

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    Actually, if you look at the bottom left of the image, she apparently has a Shock Marksman Rifle.

    Probably with a Flamethrower attached, judging by the giant gas tank sticking out of the bottom of it and the second barrel.
     
  3. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I was a bit confused at first. That does NOT look like a shock marksman. I think she will have a Breaker Combi profile due to the Tinbot in the set (tinbot only comes with the Breaker), as well as a Shock Marksman profile. Like Tai Sheng we will never see another version too. But not to worry! We'll get another version of Joan or some other character we don't use or care about.
     
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    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Good spot, she probably has a shock marksman profile but the sculpt is definitely a combi/heavy flamethrower, it's the same model as the Kaldstrom Jujak. The Marksman rifle can be seen on the defiance Lei Gong sculpt.

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    It's not a breaker combi either, we know what breaker combis look like Zhanying carry them and they're distinctly different.

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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    The Tinbot currently on Breaker and BSG Jujak. So I guess she gets it as a character like Tai Sheng.
     
  6. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    My biggest hope is that CB take a moment to unfuck the Jujak links when they add her and let them form their own fireteams without needing the Shang Ji. @Bostria fix it please.
     
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  7. Fed4ykin

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    It would be great if they can link in their own. Just give them TA on spitfire, engineer and another profile and delete the Shang ji from white banner completely... And I would switch the tinbot for the BSG panzerfaust profile everyday!
     
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    It's not quite enough to make that swap, right now White Banner is crutching on Shang Ji-sus to answer hard long range AROs. You can't just delete the Shang Ji from the sectorial and expect Spitfires to carry the day when the faction lacks access to Eclipse and White Noise.

    In a vacuum the change you propose would leave the sectorial very vulnerable to getting dumpstered by Kamau, Grenzers, Atalanta etc. I too would like to see Shang Ji get restricted to the sectorial they actually fucking belong in, IA, but WB would need some other tools added to the box to compensate.

    @Space Ranger you know what I really fucking hope that Tinbot is? Fuck the firewall we've already got so many places to get firewall tinbots from, I'd cream my pants if it's an Albedo tinbot. @Bostria you delivered me a super jumping Guijia, work miracles again!
     
  9. Miraclebutt

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    The other two Jujaks don't have Tinbots, so it definitely belongs to her. An interesting tidbit is that Sergeants are NCOs in most militaries. I joked that she'd be to Jujaks what Tai Sheng is to Zuyongs, but I wouldn't mind an NCO in WB, as long as she let's Jaks form fireteams.
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    The thing that stands out with her gun is the scope to me, Yu Jing rifles (almost?) never have scopes - and what isn't a Marksman Rifle if not a rifle with a scope (more or less - possibly calibrated to feed more explosive fluid with each shot than normal).

    Keeping in mind that while a typo is possible, it's equally possible this is a Multi Rifle as a Combi Rifle considering the history those two designs have of being mixed up...

    To be honest, only place I could possibly want an Albedo tinbot is on the Missile Launcher profile (due to range) and even that is kind of crummy now that I can't ARO bait the damned Kamau anymore. The best thing that could possibly happen in my book and inside the realm of what's already in Yu Jing is a grenade launcher on a Jujak.
    Once a member of the link or two is down, an uber sniper in a core is no longer an untouchable god for the active player playing a list without perfect tools.
     
  11. Fed4ykin

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    Well, to get rid of the Shang ji in white banner would be an opportunity to get more Korean or Mongol troopers into the roster.
    So maybe finally a trooper with HD+( white noise) and pitchers for yu jing.
    Something that is not Lei gong with albedo and long range punch, marksmanship...
    Em mines/grenades/wild parrots for fighting those jotums.
    Not necessarily on one and the same thing.
    Just trying to be creative with things that are mostly missing in yu jing.
     
  12. Exuin.exe

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    *Panics in JSA*
     
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    I have the exact same complaints for JSA, they're extremely vulnerable to getting locked out of game by an unfortunate MSV ARO piece.



    Albedo would allow the entire fireteam to walk under the 16" band and engage said ARO piece from there. Removing the +3 rangeband has the exact same effect as killing the +3 five man link bonus and requires no fucking around with sketchy Spec Fire attempts. Not that I would say no to a GL option for Jujaks, but not for firing at link teams that's shitty odds these days but for helping dig out pesky pitchers and repeaters. Still useful just not for what you're suggesting.

    Not to mention there is still huge value in being able to ignore a premier linked ARO piece and just storm into the middle of a table, brute force your opponent's skirmishers off the table, complete mission objectives and then be established in a position to deal with said ARO piece from under their optimal rangebands. Even being able to simply reliably get the Jujak spitfire into its own +3 rangeband would be huge utility for a list.

    I know there's value in this from experience. To help a friend prep for a tournament I actually demonstrated the weakness his White Company list had that he wasn't cognizant of. I had him set up a mock match where I went first with Vanilla Yu Jing. Lei Gong on his own blitzed across the table murdering both Guilang and a Karhu brutally, and gutted his backline while a core linked Haidao was totally fucking useless. I made the point that his army was saturated with incidental MSV and he was hyper reliant on the Haidao and Guilang slowing things down. His fix was to swap the ORC HMG out for a Feuerbach so it could pull backup ARO duty in the event an Albedo piece was a potential threat.
     
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    The Shang Ji as a core in WB, and IA to some extent, is a bit of a joke. Does anyone ever take more than two Shang Ji in any fireteam? In IA it's usually one added to Zhanshi or Zuyong. In WB it's Zhanshi and I don't know anyone that actually makes a Shang Ji+Jujak team. I'm more likely to do Kaplan Doctor+Jujak or Orc+Jujak in White company.

    It would be nice if they had Immunity: Continuous Damage too.
     
  15. Weathercock

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    Jujaks need something to reduce their redundancy to all the other basic HI in YJ. As it stands, it's an absolutely gorgeous box that I'll never buy.

    Hopefully the character is cool, but I'd want a bit more for the Jujaks themselves to carry an entire box.
     
  16. Mahtamori

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    Ahhhh, they changed Tinbots! Used to be only Tinbot A and B applied to the entire Fireteam. Makes more sense that they'd disallow the Neuro Yan Huo into a Fireteam then :)

    Hitting on 10s isn't bad when it's 2-3 Fusiliers/Cheerkillers that're under the pie plate and you only need to kill the one. IMO, the changes to range band has made the Grenade Launcher crummy for removing repeaters. Wasting orders most of the time, even when you hit.

    P.s. agree with Weathercock. Another heavy with missile launcher I'll never use.
     
  17. Triumph

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    My experience from being constantly shelled last edition by Emily and Druze was that people very quickly learned to space out their links going second so you only got 1 thing under the template.

    Also the reality is you'd be hitting on 7s or worse, if you were engaging a defensive MSV ARO link it's going to be over 24" away.
     
  18. Miraclebutt

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    White Banner Shang Ji is really about what you put into the link. 4 Zhanshi is fine if you just want cheap cheerleaders to pump your shooter, but WB gets that sick turn 0 repeater net, so 3 hackers and a paramedic become a disgustingly good defensive core that stops HI and TAG pushes dead.

    The main problem for poor Jujaks is they aren't capable of forming a haris on their own, so what could easily be a sub-90 point haris is stuck bloating itself out with Shang Ji. They're fine HI on their own, even better than Zuyong I'd say. Flamethrowers are great weapons, they've got Courage, with varied and good load outs at cut rate prices.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Only need one successful hit. Those odds are better than challenging the sniper directly with most if not all plain HMG and sometimes forcing your opponent to space out like that is a win, either because it makes the DZ impossible to handle from sufficient directions or that the link is entirely stationary.
     
  20. Zewrath

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    Think it's just the sculpt.

    Newer Yu Jing Combi Rifles actually all have that scope.
    Zoom in on all the Zhanshi's in the new Kaldstrøm box, look at the new YJ Engineer or even the female Kanren.
     
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