Your points are really valid, I think you are correct. However, I really want to try Counterintelligence, It just happens to be attached to Taowu lol. He seems better suited for missions of assassination and such. Regarding the REMs: I think the Peacemaker is well suited to take on heavier models as well. HSG's hit mode has AP ammo, and the fact he is a Repeater makes it an amazing partner for Valerya.
Afternoon...I'll be looking to play White Company in next month's Remote Access League and am looking for some feedback in terms of list building... I have 5 missions to plan for along ITS guidelines. At the moment Acquisition, Frontline and Unmasking have been the missions selected, with 2 still to be chosen. So far the below was what I was planning to take for Acquisitions and Unmasking. The intent is to put the Hai Dao's into the Fusilier Core sit there until needed and then push the Haris forward. Then as the Jujak drops or Hawkwood drops push forward with the engineer dropping from the link, because by that time it's likely that the Sniper will be down. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) HǍIDÀO (Engineer, Deactivator) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 25) HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) HAWKWOOD K1 Marksman Rifle, Nanopulser(+1B) / MULTI Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 41) KAPLAN (Doctor) Combi Rifle, Blitzen ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) JUJAK Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) DANAVAS (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus [UPGRADE: Oblivion (+1B)]) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22) GROUP 2 5 1 KARHU Feuerbach(+1B), AP Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 35) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) 5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Hi I have played several tournaments with WC. Been really happy with them. My 3 staple core for all army list have been: - A fusilier core with haido sniper. For cheerleading, support and defense. - A harris as attack and mission piece. Typically an orc HMG, jujak and one more - 2 guilangs for hacking – switching between hacker or minelayer I always include Valyria. Sometimes in the corelink, sometimes in the harris. I have heard people praise the Kaplan harris, but I have not had any luck with it. Overall for your list: - I would take Valyria over danavas. (bouth is an option). Mainly because she goes in a link. - I would have a separate harris. Would be possible if you switch Valyria to core. For the missions: - For umasking I’m unshure if you have enough good models for pushing all the buttons. I usually do that in WC with not only the harris, but also guilangs. The harris cant reach them all. The same with killing the HVT. My usually go-to for killing in unmasking is a harris, tiger, something which deploy forward like guilang. I have in other mission made good work with guided missiles, which could be fun. - For acquisition I again miss a midfield presence. Camo markers and repeaters.
As an example here is my list for mindwipe and some other missions in the latest tournament: BBO list 3 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) FUSILIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 15) HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) ORC Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 37) HǍIDÀO (Engineer, Deactivator) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 25) VALERYA GROMOZ (Hacker) Combi Rifle, Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27) GROUP 2 5 1 NØKK (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army A core and a harris link. It has a very good midfield presence for defense. In the middle, spread out, there is a camo hacker, camo minelayer with a repeater, a hacker with mim -6, and the peacemaker with repeater. 2 hackers in the backfield. I think it would be ok in accqusition. For unmasking i would try some tweaking
I'll be playing in a TTS League starting next week. The missions will be Decapitation, Frontline, Looting & Sabotaging, Unmasking and Mind Wipe. It's my first ever tournament (started playing summer last year) and a friend in the local community has helped me put together two lists: https://infinitytheuniverse.com/arm...BAAIFACYBAgAAIwECAACAhgEEAACFtQEEAACFtQEEAA== https://infinitytheuniverse.com/arm...AAQEBAACAhgEFAAIEAICGAQQAABMBAQAAEwEBAAAyAQEA As i trust my friends expertise, I only post here to get some other opinions and angles on the lists :) (PS. I do not know how to make those fancy lists ppl do on this forum DS.)
This is the first of my White Banner testing lists. I am really trying to find a way to use Hawkwood. Not so special ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) FUSILIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11) HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) HAWKWOOD K1 Marksman Rifle, Nanopulser(+1B) / MULTI Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 41) KAPLAN (Doctor) Combi Rifle, Blitzen ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) JUJAK Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32) DANAVAS (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus [UPGRADE: Oblivion (+1B)]) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27) GROUP 2 5 2 KARHU Feuerbach(+1B), AP Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 35) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Use Hawkwood as a Lt.: higher WIP comes in handy. Fusiliers here don't have identical profiles anyway, the enemy will quickly triangulate the Fusilier Lt and try to kill him given the chance. Hawkwood can hang back in the defensive Core while the CSU would move from the Core to the Kaplan+Jujak Haris, and Hawkwood's Lt. order would still be used by Karhu in group 2. Other than that – the list is solid. Danavas and Guilang synergize well enough, but you should be aware that anything with a KHD in its active turn will fry the poor Danavas, even through Guilang's repeater. So you might want to include some other hackers to add one more die to your infowar in the reactive turn.
I think I would swap the Karhu and the Bulleteer because you'll probably have enough orders to drive the Karhu just with 5 regulars and the Lt order
I wanted to use Hawkwood as an aggressive piece in this list. 40+ points is a lot to pay for an extra couple of points on a stat that is only used for a single roll all game and there are much cheaper 14 wip Lt options. You are right that I will need to be careful with the Danavas and if I am worried about enemy KHD then not use the deployable repeater.
Yeah, unfortunately, the issue with Hawkwood being an aggressive Lt. is the fact that the only CoC option in the entire army is Hawkwood himself – and it's the (in my opinion) inferior version with Red Fury and a 1 SWC tax. Occasionally, you can use him in lists with Guijia Lt. and himself as CoC, but that's 100+ pts. for two models already. This setup comes together pretty nicely in one-group lists, but not so much if you for the full 15 orders mode.
Here is my attempt at a list with more specialists and a higher hacking presence. Mo special ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) VALERYA GROMOZ (Hacker) Combi Rifle, Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) ORC Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 37) FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11) TIGER SOLDIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 31) TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27) GROUP 2 4 1 2 DANAVAS (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus [UPGRADE: Oblivion (+1B)]) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) MULEBOT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) 5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
That is a solid hacker list in my opinion. Why double Tiger Soldiers though? I think paramedic is more than enough if you need a flanker or objective grabber. The same number of points could have been spent on a TR bot or a Nokken KHD to further boost your hacking game.
Getting ready for some WC myself. They are almost the White Banner I wish I had. I've made a generic list I want to try. Of the WB Lt. Options, I really like the Jujak. He's survivable and cheap enough I don't mind hold him back and hiding him if needed. Generic ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 KAPLAN (Doctor) Combi Rifle, Blitzen ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) HǍIDÀO Red Fury / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 26) LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 21) JUJAK Breaker Combi Rifle, Heavy Flamethrower ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30) VALERYA GROMOZ (Hacker) Combi Rifle, Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30) KAPLAN Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 28) HǍIDÀO (Engineer, Deactivator) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 25) JUJAK (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26) GROUP 2 4 1 GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 3.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
i have a TTS tournament soon guys, the first mission is biotechvore and i made this list: its my first time with WC so im open to suggestions! bioctevoro torneo ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 2 HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) VALERYA GROMOZ (Hacker) Combi Rifle, Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) BULLETEER Spitfire / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 23) KARHU Feuerbach(+1B), AP Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 35) HǍIDÀO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) GROUP 2 5 1 KAPLAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23) LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 21) CSU Breaker Rifle, Nanopulser(+1B) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 12) KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23) SHONA CARANO Submachine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 27) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army the second group is a haris with kaplan, liang kai and csu. there is duo too, with a kaplan and shona!
HRL Kaplan is fine if you're using him during the active turn, I guess, but I'd swap him out for MSR or Spitfire. The former can leverage ranges with Mimetism and the latter can swarm the opponent with dice. HRL does neither of the above because 16-32" ranges can be caught by the enemy Spitfires or HRLs. Circular Templates are a rare sight in WhiteCo, admittedly, so purely for the purposes of catching the enemy link off-guard, it's fine. Shona with Combi Kaplan seems to be out of place though. Neither of them is a specialist or an SWC gun, so the only advantage here is moving two models at the cost of one order. I'd put Shona in a Duo with a Varangian and then replace the ADHL Kaplan with someone else.
I like it! Lots of order efficiency with your fireteams. The hrl Kaplan is great. You can push up the table with the hrl and then use the shotgun in close quarters as the table shrinks. The only thing I don’t love is the lack of an engineer. The Karhu might actually be less than ideal because of the mission. If you replace it with the jujak with tinbot and breaker combi, you can duo it with the haidao killer hacker and upgrade your Kaplan with adhesive launcher to an engineer. Good luck and send us a battle report, please!
I disagree on the Karhu. He's almost made for this mission. He's 6-2 Mov with Climb+. Then you have MSV, Mimetisim, BTS3, BS13, and NCO! I'd take two! To me BTV is all about moving efficiently and good BTS helps. Being a good shooter too since it's still a killy mission. Note remember any form of special deployment is a -3 PH roll. The good movers are the Karhu, Orc, Jujak, Guijia The good shooters are Karhu, Orc, Jujak, Guijia, Kaplans, Hawkwood, Nisse. The good BTS are the Karhu, Orc, Jujak, Guijia, Kaplans, Hawkwood.
thanks for your replies! about why i picked shona? well, the map Im going to play is called container cluster, its all about close combat with very few large LoS, if you add biotechvore to that... thats why i thought shona was a good choice, more or less the same for the kaplan with HRL, its useful for some long range shoots but also brings a shotgun, unlike the sniper, he is also very cheap in my opinion. i would like to bring the spitfire of course, but i was short of points! :( Im going to try making an alternative list and see if I can bring a spitifire or an engineer without losing order eficiency!
Alright boys, how would you bust an average Steel Phalanx list? I do have a couple of lists on my mind. Mainly it's the hacking protection against Achilles, which can be achieved by Valerya under tinbot protection. Problem is, Phalanx also has a lot of tough/dodgy/NWI units with Mimetism (-6) so you gotta account for that as well. Based on a devastating defeat I had against SP today (the mission was Panic Room), I started revising the list for that game. I ended up with something like this: Limited Insertion Panic Room v2 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 1 1 GŪIJIĂ (Lieutenant) MULTI Heavy Machine Gun, Heavy Flamethrower / DA CC Weapon. (2 | 82) GŪIJIĂ PILOT Submachine Gun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 0) HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) JUJAK Breaker Combi Rifle, Heavy Flamethrower ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30) HǍIDÀO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) KAPLAN (Engineer, Deactivator) Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) VALERYA GROMOZ (Hacker) Combi Rifle, Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21) CSU Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 12) NISSE Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) TÁOWÙ (Counterintelligence) Nanopulser(+2B), Flash Pulse(+1B) / Viral Pistol(+1B), Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 25) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army Guijia can, in theory, brute-force its way through ARO models, but in reality, the proper gunfighter here would be a smoked-up Nisse because only he can remove Phoenix and other Myrmidons. Then there is an issue of dodgy multi-wound warbands that are great in cramped spaces like Panic Rooms and Armories. CSUs and Haidaos with BSG should, in theory, have higher chances of success when shooting them, but I feel that it's still less than ideal. One combat group is mostly there to accommodate the presence of pricier models like Taowu and Jujak. The list used to have a second BSG CSU instead of Taowu and Hawkwood CoC instead of Nisse, but the latter did not prove to be of any use because of the lack of any kind of MSV. Whadaya think?
Can the Guija get into the Panic Room? I thought it couldn’t, and that’s a lot of points to have tied up outside!
