Even an announcement that such content is coming would be sufficient to calm people down until information from it is out. Until such an event I don't think it's entirely reasonable to ask people to calm down. I presume you also have noticed the surge in non-YJ players antagonizing the people who feel betrayed, correct? As an aside, the worst thing you can tell someone who's upset or angry is to calm down. Worth keeping in mind for the next visit to the pub :)
Hol up, so you reckon that seeing the current frenzy of upset in various places and then carrying on like nothing and leaving those people stewing for another 4 days is the way it should be handled?
The problem is that he'd say that whether or not it was actually true. That's literally his job. Something more concrete would be actually meaningful.
No, but I would not expect to go day 1 Yu Jing here is what you will get in the future! day 2 now lets talk about JSA leaving. I would not expect it to go like that even on day 1. Regardless this is what feedback is for. You will never get something more concrete if it it has not been finalised.
You know one thing is teasing and keeping info because it is good news and another things is teasing and keeping info about bad news (losing one sectorial and not knowing what is next for YJ players). It is like teasing your workers about getting them fired, but in reality keeping the news of promoting them for later, so they stay worried in the dark for a while not knowing what will happen to them. You just do not do that. It is the best way to piss people off. If it was all good news from the start that everyone gets new sectorial that would be perfectly fine and tease would make sense with a big reveal at the end. I hope you see the difference.
Late to the party, but put me down as some one who is glad CB are willing to take steps like this. Stale narratives are, well, stale. Infinity feels like a living, breathing world. And I'm excited to be see it grow.
I think some communication should be done as soon as you can see discontent on social media and forums. Even if it was generic announcement on FB / CB page that there are some good things in store for Yu Jing and some ETA on more information. I find that being up-front and communicating with your player base goes a long way. Nowadays fast response is often key to good social media presence.
Depends on what you are expecting is necessary. I, personally, think that day 1 could be just as it is now, but 10 seconds longer with them announcing "Stay tuned when later this week we'll talk about the You Ching side of the coin". I mean, there literally doesn't have to be much, but if they do have something juicier than just "IA is coming", then simply announcing you have an announcement (Opa Apple Style) is enough. If you don't have something really juicy, a minute to five extra during day 1 is probably enough to simply allay the more rampant speculation and give players a rough timeline to look forward to.
It's pretty simple dude. DO: Tease people with good news. That's fun. DON'T: Tease people with bad news. This pisses them off. The entire JSA debacle has been bad news for vanilla players. We are angry, and unsure as to what the hell is going on. CB's actions do nothing but irritate and antagonise us when what they should be doing is immediately posting a clear and concise roadmap as to what's being done to benefit us instead. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
So feel free to leave, or change armies if your constant argument is it takes away from your game then feel free to start a new army, play what you have, or leave because the changes have been made. They wrote the book and no amount of complaining will do anything about it. JSA is GONE. BYE FELECIA!! Haramaki Link is gone but proxy the model foe something else. With no confirmation what is gone from vanilla YJ lists yet some could wait and see or just leave and move on. You were warned since Gencon last year that the announcement at Adepticon would be more ground breaking than Ko Dali and yet you are shocked? This is a game you can either continue to play and show support with your army which may get something more awesome or continue to argue with your faceless avatar afraid to accept any real change but then dare to complain when no lore moves forward. Either Help or Leave personallly. I wont have someone hinder the game for myself or my players who enjoy the game because you lost access to something you should not have used as a crutch considering what else you have access to.
What's up with you? Coming in here basically telling people to shut up and take it, and not "hinder your players"? You do realize that we people were told that CB would like to have their feedback, and that even negative feedback is just that, feedback... Would it be more constructive if people waited until the full information is out? Sure would be,But who are you to decide what people are to do or not to do? And what does this have to do with "your" players O.o? Also I find it funny that you think people should have expected this to come....we were told that a big "Wtf have you done CB!?" event would come, and with WE I mean the WHOLE Infinity community was told so.....what did we get instead? Another kick in the nuts for Yu Jing, and Yu Jing only (at least to this point based on the infos we got..). It's not even a "Omg wtf have you done CB!?" event for anyone else but Yu Jing players, besides the annoying cries of angst from the Yu Jing community that echoes throughout the Internet... Anyways, I guess some people just like to troll and rub salt into open wounds for the lolz...back under the bridge troll!
I think you should separate removing JSA from YJ from how the message was delivered. As really there's two different issues there. Some in this thread are complaining about both, others just the second part. 100% agree however It's unfortunate that as an English speaker I have to follow that Facebook group to keep up to date on Infinity stuff as CB focuses it's Non-Spanish marketing there with information being posted in that group before it's posted on their own website\social media channels. That gives that specific group and lot of influence over the Infinity community one that they don't always handle well. So my options are continue being in a group I don't want to be in or pretty much ignoring how CB chooses to keep their Non-spanish players interested in their game. Also thanks for being willing to listen to the criticism.
ohhh man, that is one of the most asshat answers I have read in a while. Congrats!! from a Warcor... blows my mind
That right there is what i am talking about. You fall right into the "i can say whatever I want as well and immediatly decide I am a troll" because i disagree with others. Do you have the entire information? NO you dont, you have a glimpse so you decide to declare the sky is falling? and yes, i wanted to remind everyone its a game that they can feel free to play or not play but shouldnt ruin it for others who like whats going on by being salty. You made your comments known. Much appreciate...now move along or keep playing the game. You dont effect my world, you arent even in my own area of influence. Feedback is one thing. Outright calling some of us yes men or boot lickers or even corporate drones isnt feedback thats name calling at its greatest. I disagree with someone is something and I need to be called a troll so be it... I will be a troll for those that constantly feel the need to belittle others who like what they see so far and others who want to wait and see what else comes out before making an informed decision. Who do I think I am? My name is known as Lazlo....its right there....clear as day. Feel free to troll me because it makes you feel better but it still doesnt stop the signal that the game is moving forward so keep on complaining or possibly and take this with a grain of salt. HELP those who arent sure what to do now and grow the community.
So what would be your answer? Explain to me and my @$$hat answer. Make it clear to others. I look forward to seeing how people will move forward to better their Yu Jing and help others.
Emphasis mine. I understand that many YJ players are unsure how the situation will look when the pieces stop falling. But getting angry - and we're seeing some name-calling level tantrums here - is simply unbased. Yes, the situation will change, but YJ wasn't getting the short end of the stick for a long time, and we have every reason to believe that it won't get one now. CB makes occasional mistakes, but their overall track record is excellent. I agree that they could've communicate better on the current changes, but we're on day two of BoW Infinity Week, in a week or two we should have much more info, and it's not like the situation requires some lightning-speed decisions on players part. Whatever happens there will still be YJ, it'll still be strong and competetive - CB is very good when it comes to external faction balance. We have absolutely no reason to believe they had just decided to break one of the main factions for kicks. We can be 100% sure that YJ will get new stuff shortly. The main mistake on CBs part was to assume that all players will be hyped about the teased changes, and not accounting for those who are more pessimistic. And since they're getting this feedback it's highly likely that they'll do something about it next time they'll introduce such giant changes. Long story short:
Some quick feedback from an interested (though not that interested) IS player: I agree with those who are saying CB has done a poor job (so far) rolling out this major change. While some JSA (and other) players are quite happy about it, many vanilla YJ players are understandably very concerned about their chosen faction's future - IMO these concerns could and should have been addressed prior to or along with announcement of JSA's rebellion. On the other hand, insinuating (or outright stating) that this is a "GW style" marketing ploy strikes me as inaccurate and unfair. Besides the whole "codex power creep" shell game GW plays, I can also remember when the Squats were suddenly and completely written out of WH40K as a playable faction - nothing that extreme has happened here. Which brings me to the third hand - given what I've seen of CB so far, I'm pretty hopeful/confident that they're going to fix this for my vanilla YJ brothers and sisters, just like they fixed IS (who I started back in 2nd edition.) It may take some time, which will be annoying and painful to be sure, but I wouldn't give up on CB or YJ just yet. Just my two cents and YMMV.
You say this, but in the post just before that you told players to get in line or leave. And you are a warcor. Your words carry weight to some people who are new to the game and don't know that the requirements to be warcor are about as big as the requirements to join the Volksturmm in 1945. Ultimatums are not nice. And we have some facts and some rumors. We have the fact that the only japanese troop we will still have is ninjas. Then we have unbased rumors about how much CB is going to compensate us and how many cool things we are getting. There is absolutely no base to them aside from the logical assumption that CB are not giant assholes. That's a flimsy base for anything. So, I don't know, don't go around telling us to man up and take it just because you feel like it. Well, Stiopa wrote something pretty great. No name calling, no fight-picking. No "accept it or leave". No "HAHA IT IS GONE DEAL WITH IT". You know, something sensible and empathic that doesn't rub salt on anyone.
