Multiple unclear rules.

1. Parachuting peripherals have their own copy of the Parachutist skill and no limit to their distance from their controller. They should be able to drop wherever.
2. ...not sure right now.
3. See below.
4. Yes. It's not making a BS Attack (so there's no risk of hitting an ally and no BS Attack roll) and it's not a template weapon like mines are, so it's not cancelled by affecting a trooper in CC with an ally.
5. Unclear, but I think generally deployables are intended to be placed when the model with minelayer is placed, so if your minelayer is your reserve model you could put down a deployable with it. Models can't perform Orders during Deployment, so if the deployable doesn't go down alongside the minelayer, there's not a baked-in rule opportunity for the minelayer to deploy it until it can spend an Order.
6. Yes, because Climbing Plus lets you treat walls as level surfaces when using Move, which is part of Berserk.

Cancelling NWI and Prone:

NWI is still Unconscious, but you put down the NWI token instead of the Unconscious token to mark the model, and the NWI token doesn't include the Prone icon the way the Unconscious token does. When Doctor is used to remove the NWI token, any Prone token that was placed voluntarily logically doesn't need to be removed, and the model stays Prone. This is a weird sort of work-around, but we know that the value of Mimetism on a Camo Marker is open information because it's printed on the marker tokens, even though the rulebook doesn't explicitly say it's an exception to the rule that the contents of a Camo Marker are private information. So the N4 tokens for Unconscious and NWI seem informative.

 

Yes it does?
[wikiquote] Instead of placing an Unconscious Token next to the Trooper, place an NWI Token.

This reads as replacing.

 

I edited my post to reflect the specific reasoning; it has to do with the tokens used to mark the respective states.

I added reasoning for this one as well. If you don't put it down with the controller, when do you? The minelayer can't spend Orders to use the skill.

There's similar vagueness about when is "too late" to form a fireteam; we know it's formed when you designate a leader during Deployment, but it's not clear when you're required to make that designation. (Generally I do that at the end of deploying all members of the fireteam.)

 

@ijw could we please get confirmation on this? Do we have to use Camo tokens with Mimetism values on them (and therefore potentially disclose the identity of a model under Camo, like a pair of (0) and (-3) Camo deployed together in CA can only be a Shrouded with Minelayer)?

 

Found it. Yes, but only if the grenadier declares the Sixth Sense model as the target, otherwise no. Reasoning:

• Sixth Sense has the requirement that you're the target of an attack.
• Smoke ammunition is Targetless, so the attacker has the option to designate a point on the table rather than a trooper as the target of the attack.
• If the attacker designates a point on the table as the target, the Sixth Sense model is not able to meet the requirement to use Sixth Sense to fire back.
• If the attacker designates the Sixth Sense model as the target, it may declare a Sixth Sense-enabled ARO.

Note that the Sixth Sense model still gets a Dodge ARO if not the specified target, as it's been affected by a template weapon, so yay for free movement.

 

Sorry if my wording was misleading, the rules say camo markers display Mimetism, they just don't explicitly say that the mimetism of the contents of the camo markers is an exception to the rule about camo contents being private until revealed. I've amended my OP wording to be more clear.

I know I'm not IJW, but the Camouflaged State rules are where the actual RAW appears: https://infinitythewiki.com/Camouflaged_State

Effects bullet 2:

If you're using Camo Markers that don't indicate Mimetism, the rules assume they don't have it and it doesn't apply to Discover, etc., If the model under the marker has Mimetism, the markers are out of compliance with this rule since it says "indicate" with no "may" anywhere there.

 

Re: minelayer - if you look at infiltration, it is clear that the model and its mine have to be placed together - if you fail the infiltration roll, you lose the deployable.

 

Any model affected by an attack is targetted by it. Otherwise you cause issues with Impact Templates generally: targetless just allows the main target to be a point on the table.

So the answer is "is the Spec Firing trooper in Total Cover?"

If the Spec Firing trooper is not in Total Cover then (if we assume that Spec Fire causes the attacker to perform an actual BS Attack)* it triggers this:
"Any Trooper who is the target of a BS Attack into, through, or out of a Zero Visibility Zone may respond to the attacker, provided the Trooper is facing the attacker.

However, in this situation, the Skills the target can declare in ARO, or as the second Short Skill of their Order, are limited to BS Attack with a -6 MOD, Dodge without the MOD, or any Skill that doesn't require LoF."

Spec Fire still creates a situation where the attacking trooper performs a BS Attack into a ZVZ so any trooper can BS Attack at -6 back. With Sixth Sense this would ignore the -6.

Total Cover completely blocks the attacker's vision of his target, obstructing any LoF to their Silhouette which prevents a BS Attack back at the Spec Firing trooper.

* see the unresolved question on what is or is not an actual BS Attack.

 

Can you clarify this or point me to the right thread(s) for it?

I assume you're referencing this thread: https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/what-constitutes-a-bs-attack.38579/

Intuitive Attack is a whole other question, and in general the lack of clarity around "BS Attack" as a skill, label, weapon type, etc. is a problem, but I'm pretty sure Speculative Attack can be dropped from the "unsolved" part of that thread. I'll stick my commentary about it there to avoid cluttering this thread more, but in a nutshell I'm 99% sure that the attack you make during a Speculative Attack is a real honest-to-goodness BS Attack for all intents and purposes.

 

Yes. Although Sixth Sense is not particularly relevant.

If you have physical LoF and are only blocked by zero visibility zones, a BS attack targeting you (which a smoke grenade that touches your silhouette is) allows you to return fire. Despite some weird interactions, I would still treat it as a FtF roll.

 

Cool - so if we agree that Spec Fire is an honest to goodness BS Attack - then look at these scenarios.

Bob is inside Smoke, Bob has Sixth Sense, Alice does not have Total Cover from Bob.

Alice BS Attacks with a HRL in Blast Mode at Charlie (the main Target), Bob is affected by the template. Bob declares BS Attack at Alice.

Alice Speculative Attacks Charlie (the main target) with a Grenade. Bob is affected by the template. Bob declares BS Attack at Alice.

Alice Speculative Attacks a point on the table (the main target) with a Smoke Grenade. Bob is affected by the template. Bob declares BS Attack at Alice.

Functionally those are all the same scenario: in all of them Bob is a target of the attack but not the main target and can respond with a BS Attack through the ZVZ.

 

I’m under the distinct impression that in all those cases Bob is not able to BS Attack out at Alice, but Bob can Dodge, as being affected by a template provides an opportunity to Dodge regardless of LoF or Sixth Sense. Why am I wrong?

 

Of note, the template weapon rules use “Main Target” and “Troopers or targets affected,” with one exception:

• When a Critical is rolled when using a Template Weapon, it counts as a Critical against the Main Target of the attack, and only the Main Target. Against other targets affected by the Template, it is a successful Roll instead of a Critical.

The whole rest of the template rules set appears to avoid using “target” for troopers affected by the template other than the Main Target.

 

FWIW, @ijw ruled on this in N3: https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/speculative-fire-aro.35917/#post-311255

 

From the allied troopers section:

Template Weapons, and Allied and Neutral Troopers
Declaring Attacks against Allied or Neutral Troopers is not allowed, nor is it allowed to perform Attacks that may affect them, unless the Template lacks a Damage Attribute value and does not inflict States. Therefore, if when declaring an Attack with a Template Weapon, an Allied or Neutral Trooper would be affected by the Template, that shot is cancelled (but not other shots of that same Burst that have no Allies or Neutrals within their Area of Effect). Any reactive Troopers within the Area of Effect of the cancelled shot can still declare AROs.​

Affecting an allied trooper is considered equivalent to targeting them with an attack.

 

It would be real nice if we didn’t have to infer this, or go diving through N3 era forum posts and then assume it’s unchanged in N4, to find a clear statement.

I petition that the template rules include a couple simple sentences for clarity, like “Every trooper affected by a template weapon is considered a target of the attack. One target must be declared as the Main Target by the attacker.”