If a Yuan Yuan(or Duroc) uses their impetuous activation to deploy onto the board either through Combat Jump or Parachutist are they allowed to keep and spend their irregular order? Can you use a coordinated order to deploy models using Combat Jump or Parachutist? If you can and models are deployed in this way do they keep any irregular orders they have? For example coordinating four Bashis with Parachutist, will they keep their irregular orders?
I thought they could but i cannot find where that occurs. It was previously (n3) listed under impetuous, but now i see nothing. No.
In N3 the impetuous rules explicitly called out that the orders were kept, that language is missing in N4. However I think the text on page 19 for irregular orders, and the remember box on page 23 in the order count section, both support that irregular orders are kept with the trooper: Someone has tried to make the case to me that the off table orders can only be used to deploy the model, but I am not sure if that is supported.
For what it's worth, in N3 it was FAQ'd that the irregular order in that case was only able to be used to enter the table, and you ended up with an unusable order if you used a coordinated order to enter instead. But that was based on N3's wording: As long as they are off the game table, AD troopers add no Orders to their respective Order Pools. However, an undeployed AD trooper still generates an Order usable only to deploy with Airborne Deployment. vs. While off-table, the Trooper will not add their Order to the Order Pool during the Tactical Phase. However, they may enter the table using their own Order to use this Special Skill, when the player chooses. which doesn't say that that's the only thing you can use that order for.
From p. 23, Order Count, Irregular Orders: "Then, for each Irregular Trooper deployed on the table, as a Model or Marker, that is not in a Null State, the active Player places an Irregular Order Token on the table, making it clear which Combat Group the Irregular Order belongs to." And further down, Remember (2): "Orders of Troopers that have yet to be deployed on the table either as Models or Markers (for example, due to the Combat Jump Special Skill) do not contribute to their Order Pool. Undeployed Troopers' Orders are Private Information, so their player can keep their Orders secret and out of sight of the Opponent." So it seems the only say to use the Order (Irregular or Not) of an off-the-table Parachutist is to deploy them using their own order. If you don't, you essentially lost their order, as it is not counted at the start of the turn. Am I reading it right?
You seem to be jumping from "aren't contributed to the order pool" to inventing restrictions on what those orders can be used for, or that they can't be used. That's confusing, because in the previous edition when they meant that they orders could only be used one way, they said so. Especially when the rules are saying that you do still generate those orders. "Undeployed Trooper's Orders are Private Information, so their player can keep their Orders secret and out of sight of the Opponent." If you have to hide them, it means that they were generated.
Assuming this is a continuation of the FB conversation, my answer is the same - it’s very unlikely that Impetuous Troopers that land using their Impetuous activation are intended to lose their normal Order, and unless it’s confirmed as a change by @HellLois I recommend playing it the same as in N3.
I might be jumping to conclusions, yeah.. but if orders aren't being kept track of somewhere, how does the game know those orders exist and are available to be used? Is there a hidden "off the table orders" pool you guys use? I've not used much Combat Jump or TO: Camo/Hidden Deployment models in N3, so their playstyle and rules are a bit hazy to me.
