Another new character, another new NWI + Shock Immunity

Tema en 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' iniciado por Hecaton, 11 Ago 2020.

  1. toadchild

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    I guess it's still effective against Galwegians, Hungries, and Kuang Shi.

    I kind of need to dig out my N2 core book and see how many things shock was relevant against back then...
     
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  2. Mob of Blondes

    Mob of Blondes Well-Known Member

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    <Oprah: everyone gets shock immunity>
     
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  3. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    To kill Kusanagi, she didn't get shock inmunity (as expected)
     
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  4. Hackingslam

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    I definitely agree that Shock feels kind of stupid in this edition. It basically only works against things that have one wound and up to Dogged. On top of that, crits now give you the chance of auto-killing stuff with 1 wound or NWI.

    It feels like they really want NWI to be a second wound, and at that point, they might as well have just removed Shock so they wouldn't have to put "shock immunity" beside basically every profile in the game. I would strongly prefer NWI almost never having Shock Immunity, but here we are...
     
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  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    In full scroll pages and Shock Immunity (with small errors for Immunity Crit, and a few others, but not Bioimmunity which is separately listed):
    Pan-O 3 of 5
    Yu Jing 3 of 6
    Ariadna 1,5 of 5,5
    Haqq 2 of 5
    Nomads 2,5 of 5
    CA 3 of 5
    Aleph 2 of 4
    O-12 2 of 4

    Naturally the generic REMs increases the immunity density, but aside from Ariadna about half of all units are Shock Immune. Next to check is how many NWI and Dogged that are NOT STR and NOT 2+W that are immune (e.g. for O-12 that's 5 out of 11 (2 Dogged without)), but that's much more of a drudge but a lot more relevant as it would sort out the units that are those you actually care about Shocking.
    Footnote: Some factions with high access to Doctors, it's still highly relevant whether a unit with 1 wound is Immune.

    P.s. Yu Jing has caught up in pure numbers! Yay?
     
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    Mahtamori, are these like, proportions? (ie: "2 of 4" should be "1 of 2"?)
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I'm just counting how many full pages of profiles there are, so 2 pages of shock immune profiles out of 4 pages of profiles total - it is very rough estimates, hardly scientific.
     
  8. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    It really has been a wasted opportunity to return to less shock, less shock immunity. Multi rifles might as well be AP rifles this edition.
     
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    Making anybody still playing with Greeks sad until November when they all go shock immune too, although they're actually a faction that probably in the most need of a sprinkling of that.

    The sub 30 stuff is still fairly vulnerable to shock. Octavia, Liang Kai, Kuang Shi etc.
     
  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yup. If I had my druthers, remove shock from everything except MULTI weapons, viral weapons, and the units that gain it through skills. Give Ryukens MULTI SMGs. Remove shock immunity from everything except HI, things with STR, and multi-wound models.
     
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  11. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    well, in nomads, from 4 NWI troopers, only 2 are SI. And we can add 2 more NWI troopers that are not SI, so 2 of 6 units with NWI are SI. I haven't checked on other factions, but I am sure that the combination NWI+SI is not so common as some people says. There are more SI troopers, of course, all old HI and remotes were SI and will continue SI now. Same for most bioinmunity and total inmunity.

    What I mean is that shock will still be used to kill some NWI troopers, which was its initial purpose
     
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