That is because http://wiki.infinitythegame.com/en/Doctor Doctor allows the user, by passing a Normal WIP Roll, to heal 1 point of the target's Wounds Attribute and cancel his Unconscious state back to Normal. So. If Maestro would not remove all wounds of the target, RAW you could go with a Doctor and heal the HI hacker from Unconscious to his current Wounds level +1, and since NO limit is mentioned on Doctor, it could go over the original trooper's Wounds stat. Normally, recovering the second wound of a trooper is limited to the use of Regeneration (no rerroll allowed even if the troop has a Cube) or Akbar Doctor (recovers 2 wounds), with the latter being limited as usual to Unconscious troopers. So why this awkward phrasing? I'd bet they did not want to rewrite or add anything to the Doctor rules, so CB had to go and write the Maestro program the best they could. So Maestro sets Wounds to Zero and sends the hacker to Unconscious, specifically fully affecting NWI HI hackers like the Asura. And if extra programs hit, they do not stack because "send troop to KO" and "set wounds to 0" are paralell conditions, not stackable numeric values.
Maestro's lose all wounds is worded the same as brain blasts lose 1 wound, just maestro adds onto that about the unc state. Also a seperate bullet point is what states maestro cannot kill and that is why it is non lethal hack onto itself.
The unc state is added to bypass the Dogged/NWI without having Shock (thus not removing the enemy hacker from the table). This thread came about the interaction of Maestro with programs that do cause wounds (when suffering ARO from Scylla and a Danavas at the same time, for example), and I was explaining why the program is worded this way (having both "lose all wounds" and "apply Unconscious state"). If the rulebooks get revised, then I hope both this program and the Doctor skill (among many other things) will be rewritten from scratch so the effects are the same, but with a simpler wording.
Sooo.... there's no actual answer? There's just two sets of opinions? I note that @ijw you haven't actually answered the question just debated phrasing, was that deliberate?
Probably. People with the Warcor tag have to be careful when they post (it's another thing entirely during a tournament), since their words carry more weight than, lets say, yours or mine; it's not a question of reliability, but of hurting the game instead of helping it.
Not sure i follow, but a model suffering from maestro IS allowed to go nwi as nwi is an equvilent to unconscious state as allowed here: lose all points of his Wounds/STR Attribute and enter the Unconscious state, or equivalent" And nwi: Troopers with this Special Skill have a special form of Unconscious state called No Wound Incapacitation.
I'm not sure I follow the argument for killing the hacker if you use Brain Blast + Maestro. If you consider "lose all... wounds... and enter the unconscious state" to actually apply damage, then wouldn't two Maestro do the same thing? Maestro 1: lose all (1) W and go unconscious Maestro 2: lose all (1*) W and go unconscious End result: lose 1+1 = 2 W and dies...? *because they are simultaneous, the W of the target must be 1 in both cases I just don't see the justification. If you don't agree with the interaction above, then you can't apply the same logic to Maestro and BB and kill the target hacker.
Actually, yes. I do believe that would be the natural outcome. It cannot happen because a seperate bullet point explicitly says it cannot. Successive successes with this Hacking Programin the same or following Orders has no effect, unless the target had recovered from his Unconscious state. If this didnt exist then 2 maestros in 1 order should be lethal. And that is why this bullet point is required. If the opposite was true, why have this bullet point at all?
It was specified somewhere in the old forum that Maestro does not allow the activation of NWI or Dogged, I remember that one quite clearly because it was quite the "nerf" to my Asura H+ Lt... (to with the shock "upgrade" to negate activation of NWI on HI models was another hit), now she is a Spitfire platform more or less, or a "save SWC and place a HI" option for LI :/ And it was discussed before Bit and Kerr-Nau because of Scylla, who has Maestro as an upgrade in her KHD profile (the best one, in the end)
Citation needed. In the old forums it was stated that Maestro knocks someone to unconscious *before* wounds from the current order are applied by @ijw . This isn't stated anywhere in the rules afaik, but if everyone just stuck with this as a thing that would make for at least clarity. Could use an FAQ ruling.
No, go back to my first post in this topic and click the link. That's what IJW wrote on the old forums. It's literally the only hit when searching there.
Or Shock + Doctor. You mean how two directly opposite effects in the same order cancel each other out which was separately clarified in an FAQ? I think we've gone through this enough and people have set their positions.
