White Banner so far...

With three totes remotes I'd place one with LoF to as many of your own troopers as possible, this would have given it a shot at Bran as he moved into CC with the other remote.

Also, was the monk not able to smoke it's target before moving into CC?

 

Well you've got a conceptual issue of you haven't really nailed down what that list is supposed to be doing with its orders. There's basically nothing in the first combat group that actually wants to spend a tonne of orders.

Like when you built that list, how did you envision it working? Why did you pick stuff? How were they supposed to achieve the mission? Because it basically looks like you pulled random shit out of your bag, yelled "TR BOT GO BRRRR" and then winged it, to put it mildly.

What? No. Just throw smoke first.

 

Also, 4 combat remotes, including your only high burst weapons, and no Hacking Device to buff them?

 

Do you mean because of too many negative MODs? Just remember that N3 Electric Pulse doesn’t allow BdC to apply any MODs to his CC, although it’s usually high enough for that not to matter too much.

 

I'm guessing because with Surprise Attack, Camo, and HMG 0-8" Range the totes remote is at -12 to it's BS11

 

It's amazing how Nomads got the best HI links while our combat remotes run circles around theirs. Faction identity is so lost...

 

6 or 7 orders to take out 4 units during turn 1, depending on if he could jump into contact with the TR REM. Not too bad as far as order sinks go, just too bad these were your attack pieces. Remember that while Super-Jump does work while Camo, the Entire Order Super-Jump does not and you can't cancel Prone by Jumping.

I find TR REMs shouldn't be deployed on roof tops - a passive aggressive stance like that enables your opponent to use the techs designed to take them out (ODD, TO or Surprise Shot Camo mainly), unless it is truly a delaying TR REM. Since you had a HMG Zhanshi in a "Haris" as the only other range option, you needed those Husong to move around (and you kind of needed them to have Marksmanship) and putting non-Zayin/Peeler on rooftops traps them.

I'm personally not sold on Ye Mao. They're funny but ultimately very costly for something that goes down very easily and that doesn't actually have that much in terms of tricks (and the lack of a Core makes them iffy for Missile Launcher ARO pieces, IMO). I have had the AP Spitfire do some good job for me using it as a mobility beat stick, but they do need something else to clear the way.

In either case, I'm personally basically never going to play White Banner without maxed Long Ya.

 

Have you met the pointy end of a Lunakhod, or a Tsyklon in a full link? Nomad combat remotes are definitely pretty great.

The quality of Riot Grrls for cost is due to the Frenzy discount, which is hopefully being reduced/removed. And Nomads definitely do NOT have camo infiltrating HI, or TO HI, or HI with Tac Aware, or HI with ARM5 and NCO, etc. etc.

Faction identity is mostly fine, except that Pan O gets everything that everyone else does but better (and more expensive, granted).

 

Did you notice how I said "HI links"? Because I did. It's not only Grrrls with the Frenzy discount that maybe gets fixed and maybe it doesn't, it's also Hollowmen. Rui Shi and Long Ya are definitely better than Lunokhod and Tsyklons, and if you want to wade into REM linking territory (which I didn't even mention) we could talk about Dashat linking Rui Shis [emoji51][emoji51]

 

With the upcoming change to super jump and the 15 unit cap, I'm not sure I'd rank Hollow Men or Riot Grrls above an IA Zuyong Pain Train. The order efficiency provided by LT2+NCO and Tactical Awareness will become even more valuable, as will the utility of a Haidao Wildcard. Thinking about it, even now I would probably take the IA pain train over both of these.

 

I don't think I've seen a Hollow Men list which relied on massed orders. Rio Grrls are a better link, particularly with the changes to MSV1 (and that there's smoke in Bakunin), but I don't know if they make a better list currently. Much will depend on what happens to points weight as both Hollow Men and Riot Grrls are better due to being remarkably cheaper for their gear level than their Zuyong/Shang-Ji counterparts.
Both does make Jujak and Wu Ming seem overpriced or obsolete, though.

We'll see what happens with Frenzy that is apparently becoming a special skill of unknown function.

 

All these arguments about Hollow Men and Grrlls maybe being worse than YJ links in the future aren't really arguments at all. I'm talking about now because that's the rules system we have; I'll talk about N4 when we have N4.

 

If you had a better constructed list you would've been fine though, which is the point Mahtamori is making. You had 6 orders left in that group, you can do plenty of work with 6 orders if you have something to spend them on. You forgot to put things in the combat group to actually spend orders.

 

I mean; what does that even mean for Yu Jing?

It does inform the meta-design of the Heavy Infantry faction a bit; one is a budget heavy infantry with premium equipment and the other is a premium heavy infantry with budget equipment, neither combination is something Yu Jing has, here it's only budget-budget or premium-premium and it's getting crowded. Like, just imagine if Ye Mao were heavy infantry. I commit heresy here, but Ye Mao as HI makes a good argument for keeping up with the Hulang-style line of "heavy" infantry and at least I think would be a hit even with N3 costs where the Hulang during N3 was a miss.

Other than that - careface! Hollow Grrls are reasonably priced for heavy infantry because of the Frenzy rule and it's kind of bullshit that it takes a "drawback" to get the price down to a reasonable level, but they're ostensibly Nomad units, fill a role in their faction, and don't really affect Yu Jing.