There's absolutely judgement, you're talking part of a larger piece, take this part of Gunnar's background "that rune [that indicates he's an NHAK Outcast] on his cheek is something positive, nobody wants a fanatic among their ranks, least of all one from that group of racists and disturbed killers who, even if they support the PanOceanian cause, do nothing but cause problems for us," which shows the mainstream opinion them.
Yeah, Gunnar's fluff is pretty clear that NHAK are the bad guys. It didn't need to spell it in capital letters to get the message through.
WWII Nazis are neither fictional nor from the distant past. If they were, the Wild West and Kempetai would be no issue. I don't believe this is the core of the matter either, it's much more about the misconception that fiction dictates reality or normalizes atrocities. A notion that I consider to be absurd, but apparently others find quite viable. Apart from that, who are you (or I) to decide what should or shouldn't be included in the setting? That's the prerogative of the authors. Infinity is an extrapolation of the human condition into the (relatively) near future, so themes like nationalism and fascism are well within the scope of plausibility. I can understand if people would rather have our future do away with these concepts, but that doesn't mean we should not be able to use them in fiction.
Fair, I will have to look at this text again. I rather meant the way CB describes the faction and that the out-of-character narrator doesn't talk about them in negatives. The in-character negative opinion is good in lieu of the OOC one, but again, it's a small red flag and the flags keep stacking. It might be nothing and I hope it is.
Yeah, that's a thing that happens with discussions about current political issues, especially with international groups from such diverse backgrounds. The whole blanket-shut-up when everyone gets aggressive isn't a great solution, but it's all you can really do to stop things spiraling into chaos and stupidity. Imagine if we had a real alt-righter in here arguing with Nuada, or an adherent to most of the older religious sects with values older than the laguages they're written in. I can see the argument for carrying on the discussion, you have made a good point there. As far as my own stance on the issue goes, I consider censorship of art and ideals to be an extremely slippery political slope to be avoided wherever it their appearance is not likely to cause serious mental or physical harm to a very large number of people, and even then to be handled with care. I agree with that, I genuinely forgot this site had a direct message function as I've never needed it. Sorry if it's caused any issues.
Noice. Now it is history thread. Okay. Let's begin. Poland in Interbellum was a small but predatory country, that dreamed about colonies and expanding to the east. Poland was one of first allies to Germany against my country. They cut Czechoslovakia, but later Nazi prefer to capture Poland. After Poland's fall, their government escape to Britain. In 1944, that government ordered to start rebellion with idea not letting Red Army liberate Warsaw. It failed because of bad organisation and zero coordition with Soviet Union. After war Poland was rebuild by USSR and became satellite of latter. After USSR fall, Poland gladly joined NATO and now encouraging russophobe rhetoric in Europe.
Sorry, I wasn't addressing your comment, rather that (in my opinion) if the OP were acting in good faith, they would have sent a PM to the mods/direct email to CB laying out their concerns. A showy thread seems more like an attempt to gin up controversy and a mob.
What are the mods going to do? What does an email directly to them do? It's one person saying something in that instance. They need to see whether more people support making an action for or against a thing to feel any kind of pressure.
If we're talking about game fiction, then it doesn't. It simply can provide a handy outlet for people who actually want to normalize atrocities. The more modern and still viable example, the bigger the problem can be. Fictions that do dictate reality are those nested deeply in real life issues. An example would be the "Lost Cause" undercurrent in the US, which is a problem - while having Confederates as a playable faction in a strategy game isn't. And where am I deciding anything? I'm stating my opinion, I'm discussing with people who have a different one, and CB will do their thing regardless of our discussion.
Also worth mentioning is that the fluff on the website is nowhere near as deep as that in the books, and CB tends to go heavy on anyone posting material from the books. I've had fluff snippets I've posted removed, despite it clearly just being a quote rather than trying to get around copyright.
Overreacting, in an inappropriate manner, to something that someone has to make an effort to build a "case" to be offended by, in a public forum, where a direct message would have been far more appropriate.
I don't believe that it has been an inappropriate reaction. It's a fair concern. And a direct message is liable to be ignored.
All right, I think I see where you are coming from, but I don't believe that "Lost Cause" is analogous to Infinity. Granted, both are fiction in the most general sense, but Lost Cause is political and revisionist in nature while Infinity is recreational entertainment without political aspirations of any kind. I trust most people will be able to make that distinction. Having Desperados in Infinity is analogous to having Confederates in a strategy game. Unless I misread the context, right here:
There's raising a concern that something could be interpreted as NN supportive, and there's starting out by saying that it's literally a swastika variant that could get the game banned. I'll let you review which method the OP used.
Didn't know what exactly ? This entire topic is around something that exists only in the imagination of the OP. Volkolak symbols looks nothing like swastika, or the other symbols he mentioned. You could argue it has same basic shape at best lol. Better remove all those crosses from PanO military orders, they could remind people of swastikas as well, just minus a few lines. Then all this stupidity about Volkolak heavy metal band, AFAIK unit was named Volkolak because it means Werewolf and these guys are kinda half wolves, so connect the dots. It has nothing to do with Russian white supremacist heavy metal band. Any connection OP made here is plain stupid. So there is literally no problem here, just some guys who wanted to be angry at CB for imaginary reasons. I am last person to defend CB for their stupid decisions, but this ain't one of them. Also, if you need proof CB is definitely not white supremacist, there is a Warcor in the US that openly bragged about not letting Trump supporters play Infinity in his area, because they are all fascists in his mind. That guy is still Warcor, even tho he shouldn't be IMO.
