Calm down, mate :) This has the potential to be less disruptive to Yu Jing than Ko Dali's sepsitoring, and mostly serve to separate two forces into more logical separate factions - the intersection between JSA and vanilla Yu Jing is fairly small and can mostly be summed up with one word (Ninja). Save your rage for when we actually know if the Uprising has lasting consequences on Yu Jing (I mean, if the rebels go full terrorist and manage to destroy Acon in an attempt to spark war between Yu Jing and Pan-O, then laughs on anyone getting upset about JSA potentially splitting from YJ if it's Acon that gets Squatted) -- That said; popular unpopular opinion - on the fluff side of things Pan-O needs a serious division. It's not good with the monolithic nature of Pan-O that we're heading to with a potential major uprising in the only faction that's a realistic political and military challenger. Doesn't have to mean splitting factions away from Pan-O so much as the rise of nationhood forcing Pan-O away from the current corporately controlled single entity and into a Federation or defensive alliance a'la NATO, but something that signals internal strife and potentially meaning that if Neoterra decides to go to war on Dawn, maybe the other planets won't participate or even come to Dawn's aid. You know, less monolithic... less... Smurf Marines.
All those "cool" arguments are nice when it's not your faction being fucked over AGAIN for the sake of "fun" and when it's not the minis you paid with ACTUAL MONEY and invested time and energy in getting painted that are getting obsolete. Maybe CB don't care about money (hint: they do) but I sure do, especially about the money I already gave them.
I don't really see how YJ have been fucked over 'again and again'? I mean, it's Ko Dali (1 model, and it was an awful model. Lost the profile but still 1 profile and doesn't really matter now), and potentially JSA (but we don't know the extent of that yet anyway).
So wait a sec are we still talking about faction "identity" or "gameplay" or "power level" ? If this is latter then ISS really doesn't strike me as if it couldn't support it's HI. Cheap order generators, KHD, smoke. Quite unique TAG/HI hybrid (taking best from both worlds), "generic" but usefull TO skirmisher, great AD trooper. While when you compare Wu-Ming and Hospitallers (especially in link situation) everyone can see how crazy good the Frenzy discount is, ISS has a much stronger option of supporting it's core HI and Wu-Ming has some really interesting weapon loadouts (LGL, HMG, HRL in one link plus some DTW ^^, TAG killer and mines xD)
I can understand some people feel some unease with all these rumors floating around, but look at it this way: 1. You don't know for sure what is true and what isn't. 2. If your worst "nightmares" are confirmed, you'll have the chance to play with two different armies with little more investment (investment you would do anyway, because the miniatures are constantly being renewed).
Identity. ISS as a subfaction couldn't do better than the proto-evil military police, it's the faction as a whole (loosely "vanilla") I'm thinking about.
Oh, of course, we are talking about rumours and I don't really think they are gonna erase all JSA profiles from YJ, but Internet is the home of drama.
Tbh the more I look at ISS the less "evil" I can see in it. I mean they do "appear" to be "not the good guys" but after a bit of thinking you can get to very different conclusions than initial appeal. But mayby it's just me. Tbh I'm all for Yu-Jing sectorial with HI as LI (I'm not sure if this was supposed to be Imperail Army ?), throwing some chain rifles and SMG could make their price really under 20 pts (downgrade few stats, optimize a bit of rest and it is achievable). Take Wu-Ming DUO Chain Rifle, SMG, lower the BS to 12, lower ARM to 3, remove Kinematika, remove point of WIP, remove DUO, remove 1 PH and you could have HI for a price of ~18 pts (rough estimation).
ISS forms penal batallions or worse suicide bombing zombies from political opposition. That enough makes them pretty evil no matter how we see it.
I never said I'm an expert in Yu-Jing HI ;) Actually I really played to little against vanilla Yu-Jing (and even then I mostly faced Hac Tao and Invincibles).
Same for me and Nomads. Zuyong are the units that replaced N2's Terracotta Soldiers (aka Invincibles), btw. About as bog standard HI as you can possibly get, but with dual break pistols instead of 13 PH. You might have possibly faced the Automedikit LT, essentially the only popular profile.
"Good" and "evil" is exactly about how we see things though. I mean, if Tohaa can get their 2W guys for 18 pts that don't really lose much after taking a wound (which is what supposed to be their discount), then I'm pretty sure 20-something point models that mook more like HI are possible.
Personally I don`t see any problems in JSA separation from rest of Yu-Jing. Ninjas will operate in shadows for other factions anyway and rest of faction was separated from the beginning. Even more, with new box on the horizon now I have some plans to buy some JSA. About 20 pts HI I respectfully disagree. It looks exact same as cheapening Space Marines to force players buy more Space Marines. Useless, pointless and ruining great game.
Lets say that disconnecting a bit from Infinity I'm on a stance that those 2 terms have a rather real/othological existence which is independent on our cognitive powers/abilities (obviously how we do perceive them is dependent on our senses all all others factors). Going back to Infinity: well why ISS is "bad" if you have Hexas in PanO, whole Hassasins in Haqq, and rather faaar from "morally ok" Bakunin schanenigas (sex slaves anyone?).
All the factions tend to go between good and bad in many ways, though some are on average better than others. Like, there are the usual suspects and the cleaner guys, but all of them have someone prepared to do something at least as bad as something from the other factions. The exception is potentially the CA, because they are literally out for one thing and that's invading, crushing any resistance and using you for the EI's purpose. The whoe Sygmaa "it's not so bad" thing is pretty ironic, because they don't have a choice. They have to be okay with the EI ruling them. Because if you're not, you get stomped. Whatever they tell themselves to get over that is their own business. Probably outside of Yu Jing in most places being a citizen is pretty good, especially compared to our lives. In the minor nations, in PanO, Consilium, Bourak etc you probably have strong human rights, a great social safety net, access to great medical care, work shorter hours and less days, and have a huge amount of knowledge and entertainment at your fingertips. In Yu Jing you have the same except for your personal rights are massively infringed on comparatively. Infinity isn't so much a dystopia when you think about it that way. Like, in the RPG there is the Demogrant population, because of government UBIs and things like that being pretty universal in the future, there isn't really such a thing as growing up dirt poor, being unable to get food etc outside of isolated habitats or unique situations. Everyone lives a life of basic comfort at worst. I added up all of the populations of the Human Sphere from the RPG once and got something in the region of 30 billion, and most of those people are living in comfortable conditions. (It is kind of funny that Ariadna has an O-12 seat though. Like supposedly they are a great power, but there's less people living on Dawn than live in a single Neoterran city. At least the Nomads can claim to have a population which is not just bigger but also massively skewed towards politically and economically significant roles, as they have a proportionately huge influence over scientific research, interstellar trading, finance, communication and orbital/deep space operations)
Hasn't it been established that Pan-O doesn't have a social safety net at all (unless you personally pay for yours)?
I'd like to present you this ATEK population here. Or this allien "slave" race PanO has under control (in Varuna I think). Also, consider how the more a society advances, the bigger their "basic" needs become... So what we call today "well off" might be "under the poverty umbrage" for Neoterran cities... As for Ariadna, I welcome you to the notion that, for those places with less people (usually the countryside) to have "an equal voice" to those with tons of it (big cities), their voting impact is bigger. USA Style?
