No, mate. Kempeitai are literal Japanese nazis, ISS aren't. For ISS to be comparable to the Gestapo, Yu Jing has to be the 3rd Reich and ISS have to serve the express purpose of ethnic cleansing, otherwise it's the worst damned example of a Godwin's Law (which you're always breaking unless the subject are literal nazis). The worst you could level at ISS is that they're like the various extreme police units (not seldom death squads) you'll find in places with a serious cartel problem, but comparatively competent (most of the time). Not to mention that you're calling the Adil story line uncomfortable, that's nothing to Gunnar's which makes it fairly clear that the local Pan-O populace are pretty much ran by the NMR, so yeah... you're pointing at a couple of trees and calling it a forest while ignoring the Schwarzwald on the other side of the parking lot.
Not to mention that uprising refers to the actions of one or two particular ISS groups. Given the unilateral power given to individual agents it shows how they can go off the rails. There would need to be more examples before you can categorically label the ISS exactly like the gestapo.
We both know it got alot worse than an extreme police unit in a cartel area that thanks to Uprising The difference being that Gunnar is portrayed as rejecting his neo extremists and he is not a targeted ethnic group that is currently the subject of a modern and current ethnic cleansing, then being portrayed as subservient and thankful to the perpetrators which is what makes Adil's blurb extremely bad taste.
Triumph hating on Gutier's writing. Shocked I say, shocked! And utterly predicable. Nothing in Adil's background comes off as bad taste to me. Me not equating YJ to modern day China might of helped with that. That's not to downplay what is happening to the Uigher people in our own reality. However, if you want to conflate Adil's background with the current happenings in China go right ahead.
It's a bit uncomfortable at the moment with the racial parallels, but Yu Jing is not the PRC. Infinity's past was set years and years ago during N1, and I'm fairly sure the Uighur """reeducation""" never happened in it so Adil isn't in-setting worshipping an establishment that actively hates everything about him. I'm actually rather happy to see a very rare example of YJ living up to its blurb and allowing a skilled officer to advance on merit alone rather than being held back by bureacracy, prejudice, nepotism and grimdark.
Are we seriously suggesting that the Nazis somehow invented or holds patent on ethnic cleansings? Oh boy, seems like The Young Turks and Rwanda Patriotic Front did nothing wrong then. I mean, at least they weren't Nazis.
I think @Zewrath was making the point that the NSDAP don’t hold a monopoly on genocide so saying ISS aren’t the Gestapo is a poor deflection of your criticism of Gutier’s tone deaf writing of any non-European historical or cultural references. I think he’s on your side. Don’t even think about Koori Queen. The casual racism there is sickening.
Saying "completely the opposite" is such a stretch that is similar to saying "the Nazis were merely unkind to the Jews".
Um, before we get locked, can the people saying he's brainwashed reread the profile, specifically: His father was already an Imperial Agent, he's just "followed in the footsteps and created his own legend" as a backstory. Whatever integration/abuse happened in Infinity history, by the time of the story they are trusted enough to be multi-generation Imperial Agents.
Guys why are you making me regret creating this thread? Let's please current day shit out of it! We are playing with little tin men at the end of the day with near comic book stories.
The Nazi movement was used as an example because it's an easy and commonly understandable reference, I didn't say anywhere they had a monopoly. I equated the ISS as a similar organisation with similar hyper nationalistic views, complete lack of morals, and willingness to perpetrate full blown atrocities. That's the opposite of claiming Nazis have a monopoly, right? I am confused with what you're getting at. I mean for everyone saying that YJ/ISS did not utilise "reeducation camps" and it isn't that bad in the Infinity lore... Guys I'm pretty sure the brainwashed exploding zombies are a cartoonishly overblown direct reference to modern day China's tendencies. I mean jeez some of the forum members here flat out refuse to play with them because they find the concept morally repulsive. That's not me, but I'm just saying ISS really are a bad bunch of dudes. Suddenly writing them up as poster boy heroes for an Uighur is kinda tasteless.
Jesus people calm down. Kuang Shi are a nice part of the ISS military and are very free to leave if they want to. Don't believe the Pano lies!
FFs guys, plz stop this, iss is organization, that has only one goal, to protect state empire, they do that they must, any organization have many people, bad pepople, good people, they save Uighur sitizen ? Thats their goal. They kill and brainwash, well thats just metod, i dont think they take pleasure in this. A cop that shoot your friend yesterday(for reasons) can save people tommotow you know? P.s my english is bad, sorry.
Some people are just like truffle pigs, except for 'truffles' it's the 'worst possible interpretation of vague information'.
I’ve never been mistaken for an SJW before. That should tell you something about how bad this example is. Gutier: “Lets make an Australian character for A!. Okay, Aborigines come from Australia, they’re dark skinned, right? Aborigines use boomerangs, done. Aborigines are also referred to as Koories, eh?” Everyone: ... Gutier: “I present the Australian character, Koorie Queen!” Everyone: “It’s spelled Koori” Gutier: ... That’s how I interpret what led to this character, thus “casual racism”. Laziness, not malice, is to blame. The obvious disregard for any actual research has created a caricature equal to the worst of the Victorian era. TLDR; the only thing that makes KQ “aboriginal” is the boomerang. Gutier was too lazy to even accept the spellcheck suggestion to get the name right.
