1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

New Lt. Lvl 2 on the way!

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Azuset, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    6,148
    Likes Received:
    9,666
    If your game balance is really good, you can have every army be 'top tier'. Of course, it also technically means that every army is bottom tier.
     
  2. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,279
    Likes Received:
    1,936
    Full Auto will never be a reasonable choice for him. His profile is supposed to be compatible with fireteams.

    Really, I don't think Qiang is too far off from being pretty decent, he just needs a few minor adjustments.

    First thing's first, I'd keep Berserk on there. It may have been a typo, but it's a brilliant bit of accidental genius that opens up our boy's toolkit in ways that IA especially would really appreciate. I really hope that CB doesn't go back on this.
    Second, drop the brace of breaker pistols, and replace them with a heavy pistol (or two heavy pistols if you don't want to drop his cost). In doing so, Qiang suddenly becomes pretty threatening to any 1W model in CC --assuming he's willing to take a hit himself. Even thematically, it's pretty cool. You come after his squad mates, and he's more than ready to put himself between you two and mess you up in all kinds of ways. He clearly wouldn't be the combat monster that Donn is, but he represents a nice middle ground that takes good advantage of his considerable bulk.

    After that, he could possibly use an alternate loadout, but I don't think he's that bad overall. I'd really like to see him with Multi Rifle+Mad Traps profile, since it's something I think IA could really make good use out of, but I don't think we'd ever really get that.
     
  3. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,023
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    Do you have a single fact to back that up?

    His LT level 2 skill, which you are penalised for not taking, can't even be used in a fireteam unless there is an NCO somewhere else in the list.
     
  4. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,279
    Likes Received:
    1,936
    I'm pretty sure the running assumption is that all of the Defiance heroes are set to be wildcards. Which makes sense with CB's recent trend of making every character one.

    And with how good Tai Sheng and the Mowang are, it's not like you're bereft of options to make use of those Lt orders. He's a decent sidegrade to the Zuyong HMG. For all the problems that IA has, I wouldn't consider him to be one of them.


    Just let us keep Berserk.
     
    #24 Weathercock, Oct 30, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2019
    Judge Dredd, Tourniquet and Hecaton like this.
  5. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2017
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    3,155
    Any chances for another profile? Liiike Heavy Shotgun?
     
    Henshini and SKOZZOKONZ like this.
  6. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,279
    Likes Received:
    1,936
    Heavy Shotgun with his skillset would be really nice, but if he had a profile with one, I'd want it to get some other supporting tools on there as well, like, as I had mentioned above, mad traps (or mines, or grenades, or... whatever).

    I think he's got a nice chassis, he just needs a diversified toolkit to help him fill more gaps for IA (and in general, I like funky units, so it'd make him more fun).
     
  7. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    1,163
    Likes Received:
    1,206
    He really offers nothing that IA/Yu Jing didn't already have - except Veteran for Jammer defence. Which is super situational at best, yet seems to be the one thing FB posters have a hard on for.

    He needed to bring a new skill or weapon to the field. Like, scrap Fatality and give him an AP HMG and you now have an interesting tool for a Zuyong link that they couldn't already access.

    He's not a terrible profile, he's just boring, lazy, and offers nothing new. I guess at least he didn't cop another Automedkit tax.
     
    Khalipo and Zewrath like this.
  8. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2017
    Messages:
    1,757
    Likes Received:
    2,443
    Every Yu Jing release for the last year: "I hope N4 sorts it out"

    Wanna bet it won't?
     
  9. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2017
    Messages:
    723
    Likes Received:
    1,312
    I think this profile is quite useful in Vanilla. First of all, its the first non Krakot Veteran in YuJing. This makes me happy. Furthermore, a DAM16 HMG is nothing to sneeze at. As a LT2, he can use three orders alone on a BS13, ARM4 platform with 2W. For 43p and only 1 SWC this isn't even very expensive in the YJ context. The TA Spitfire ShangJi costs more.
    To round it up, he's even equipped with a Nanopulser.
    In IA, it's not that clear. The LT2 is not that usefull in a Fireteam context because your NCO could also use the LT2 orders of the Daoying.
     
    Willen likes this.
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,018
    Likes Received:
    15,302
    You just traded away one skill that's not there, one skill that's literally free and one skill that's somewhere in the 0 to 2 point region for a skill that's 10 points. While yes, a unit that is nearly literally a carbon copy of a Kriza Borac would be taken, you're also creating something that's the Mowang's job description.
     
  11. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,018
    Likes Received:
    15,302
    Not every army can be the best, but CB has allowed more and more armies to slip into clearer and clearer tiers, IMO, and we're seeing armies being released into low tiers as well as seeing additions to them that does not help in shifting them out of there. Edit: arguably it should be a matter of debate and personal preference which army is best, they should not be tierable.
     
    #31 Mahtamori, Oct 30, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2019
    Section9, Hecaton and Azuset like this.
  12. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,023
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    Mowang didn't need to exist, they are both taking the Yanhuo's job description, heavier, shootier infantry. And yeah forgive me for being annoyed that pretty much the best shooty heavy infantry happens to be some random Nomad.
     
    Dragonstriker, Mahtamori and Tibooper like this.
  13. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    1,163
    Likes Received:
    1,206
    Nah, Mowang is the hit and run, solo-yolo. Yan huo is supposed to be an artillery regiment - no boot-and-scoot. I'd say they just failed to design the Yan Huo properly, rather than Mowang stole their role.
     
    Teslarod, Bluefox and Azuset like this.
  14. Sedral

    Sedral Jīnshān Task Force Officier

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    736
    Likes Received:
    1,217
    That was my initial feeling as well, but after giving it some though I'm not so sure anymore. The daoying hacker is just way too good. Not only as a ridiculously safe lieutenant, or as an order battery for a mowang/pain train, but also as your utility hacker and as a camo specialist with a shotgun for last turn rush to the objectives. Most of the points you're saving by not taking a daoying will most likely be spent on stuff that compensate his absence (chain of command, zhanshi hacker, etc...)

    Also, IA doesn't exactly have stellar chain of commands to support an aggressive lieutenant: one's as expensive as the daoying you would have taken otherwise, while the other has nco and would therefore have a better synergy with said daoying.

    I feel like you really need to milk his veteran skill to make him worthwhile, otherwise you're better off with a mowang.
     
  15. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2017
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    3,155
    If he's a Shang Ji Character; thus having access to our fireteams - that would be very interesting. Zuyong Haris would pack some real punch!
     
    Willen likes this.
  16. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,018
    Likes Received:
    15,302
    Been thinking a lot about Yan Huo lately and Mowang as to what would make them perform.
    Mowang has an acceptable performance profile but it just so damned modest and the disposable long range weapons just fall flat due to low burst. I don't think Mowang toes in on Yan Huo, that much they have succeeded in unit design, but for the job Mowang is meant to perform, it direly needs Stealth and preferably Veteran.

    Yan Huo is a different matter. It's a non-premium heavy weapons platform at a premium price. Costing very close to a Kriza, Hsien or Omega, it does not have any means of either negating MODs nor imposing them. Add to it that it's a bit on the slow side and that its performance isn't actually improved very much by the Multi HMG or the inherent low burst of the Missile Launcher profile... HRMC is clearly much better than the two points difference between MHMG and HRMC, but it's still not great.

    Now we have Qiang which I think is trouncing the Yan Huo simply by virtue of being cheaper in points and more importantly SWC, trading AP/Shock for Fat1 is I think often an equal trade, but Qiang is also better at close rrange due to having better and more pistols, a decent CC value and higher MOV to which the extra ARM on Yan Huo doesn't compensate. Qiang is almost guaranteed to be Coreable and if Berserk is actually a Specialist skill that the increased WIP implies then there is no real competition.
    Qiang also absolutely trounces Shang-Ji by being designed roughly how a Shang-Ji could've been designed to maintain relevance and having a relevant long range gun...
    Yeah, I think Qiang is a decent addition, although more of the what was already there.

    Wrapping back to my original off topic tangent and touching on a comment in a different topic:
    Yan Huo is missing a very expensive and impactful skill. NWI is reasonable, but not it. MSV2 or Marksmanship 2 fits the bill for something that is missing in the faction and in terms of roughly filling the hole in points. For IA this would mean a MOD denying tool with high burst or a MOD denying anti-character in the Neuro ML (still won't change the biggest disadvantage of the ML profile which is having a burst that is easy tto overcome - man how much better that would've been with HRLs...)
     
    Usashi likes this.
  17. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,023
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    This captures my big issue with the Yanhuo. It's written as something that holds the trigger on it's target 'till the target is gone. Then this ridiculous full auto rule comes along, and redefines what holding the trigger on the target until the target is gone means mechanically in INFINITY.
     
    Section9, Hecaton, csjarrat and 2 others like this.
  18. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,023
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    That already exists in Yu Jing, it's supposed to be part of the Invincible Army and it's called the Dao Fei, something I would take 9 times out of ten over either the superfluous Mowang or Zhencha.
     
    Dragonstriker likes this.
  19. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2017
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    3,155
    Why should a thread about our new Character should devolve into another salt mine.

    Its disappointing.
     
  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,018
    Likes Received:
    15,302
    Good point, but the icon doesn't hint at a Shang-Ji character, he seems more like he's detached from the unit belonging. Krit and Tai both have the Zuyong pattern while Qian has the IA logo with inverted colours.
    It'll be interesting to see what Fireteams he can join, but he doesn't have the hallmarks of a solo operative so I'm confident he can join at least Zuyong.
     
  • About Us

    We are a company founded in 2001 in Cangas (Spain), and devoted to design and manufacture games and figures. Our main product, Infinity the Game, was born with the ambition to satisfy the most demanding audience, offering the best quality.

     

    Why are we here?

     

    Because we are, first and foremost, players.

  • Quick Navigation

    Open the Quick Navigation